Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Paul May]

In practically every one of your thousands of posts you seem to implicate someone new,

Huh??.....  You really are confused aren't you, Chum......  For years I've stood on my belief that Lyin Bastard Johnson, and J Edna Hoover are the pinnacle of the plot.     There's nobody new..... THEY CONTROLLED the "investigation"  ........  and orchestrated the tale presented to us in the Warren Report.   Some stupid, gutless, suckers  like yourself actually believe that mountain of BS, is the truth.

Governments are common targets for conspiracy theories. They offer someone tangible to blame for unfortunate events, are often disliked and rarely give immediate, comprehensive or definitive answers. Even when government officials respond with emphatic denials, distrust is common.

A common rhetorical device of conspiracy theorists ... is to advance speculations and then criticize the authorities for not definitively refuting them. They also rely on an inherently implausible claim of a coverup by government agencies that don't really have a very good record of covering things up.

[Walt Cakebread]

I have a manufactured roll of 2" packing tape and it's 1/8" short of 2".

The print covers about 3/4 of the tape. I would think that Day would secure the tape in an area where the print wasn't, then slowly roll it over the area of the print. It would be prudent to utilize the full circumference with two-inch tape.



The fleshy part of the palm (little-finger side) would conform to the shape of the barrel.



I too am enjoying it.   

• Carl Day lifted the palmprint off the barrel, recording doing so on the mounting card
• The FBI confirmed that Day's palmprint life had come off the C2766 rifle barrel
• Day testified under oath he lifted the palmprint off the barrel on November 22nd
• Day told Gary Savage and "Rusty" Livingston he used 2" tape
• The lift has no woodgrain pattern as if it had come off the wood forestock
• There is no 3 X 5 card; Walt Fab

The fleshy part of the palm (little-finger side) would conform to the shape of the barrel.

So now you're saying that the print SURROUNDED the entire circumference of the barrel...... Then why didn't Day say that he saw a print that wrapped all the way around the barrel?


The lift has no woodgrain pattern as if it had come off the wood forestock..

  Ahhh... that takes me back to page one.....Many many years ago when  I first saw the photo of the "palm print "  (CE 639) i saw the wood grain  on the photo.....At that time ( 30  years ago ) the LNers explained that wood grain seen in the photo, as having been transferred to the metal barrel and that's why the wood grain appears in the photo.    At that time I didn't know that the wooden forestock is not in tight contact with the metal barrel as it is on many rifles.   So I accepted that as a plausible explanation.     

And thank you for printing my favorite cartoon character....  Snoopy, always brings chuckles....


Now then..... can we agree on the width of the tape and the size of the card it's stuck to??

[Walt Cakebread]

The fleshy part of the palm would conform to whatever area of the barrel was appropriate to its size. You're twisting those words into the palm contorting to fully surround the barrel. Cheap semantics.

I'm leaning towards Day's statement that the lifting tape was 2". Do you believe the tape is one-inch and stuck on a 3" X 5" index card?

The fleshy part of the palm would conform to whatever area of the barrel was appropriate to its size. You're twisting those words into the palm contorting to fully surround the barrel. Cheap semantics.

You believe the tape was 2 inches wide.....But, If that were the truth, then the tape would have completely surrounded the circumference ( 2.03") of the metal barrel.    And I pointed out that the LNers ( yourself included) have always believed Day's tale that he spotted a print on the SIDE of the barrel which prompted him to remove the wooden forestock, and then he saw the print ON THE BOTTOM of the metal barrel.......according to Day's tale .... The print did not completely surround the metal barrel .....   But the photo of the print (CE639) "palm print" shows that the print completely transects the tape on the card....So if the tape was two inches wide and the print completely covers the tape from side to side then the print would have had to been completely around the 2 inch circumference of the metal barrel.     

Do you still want to maintain that the tape was 2 inches wide?

Do you believe the tape is one-inch and stuck on a 3" X 5" index card?

No, this discussion has convinced me that the card had to have been bigger than 3" X 5" ..... Probably 5" X  8".....

This is the reason that I'm truly enjoying this discussion......   I believe that I'm making progress and in the end you're going to be compelled to admit that detective Day's tale is pure BS....and the print was actually lifted from the wooden forestock and it was nothing but an unidentifiable smudge that the "experts" ( liars ) transformed into Lee Oswald's palm print.

[Charles Collins]

Would it be feasible to determine the relative portion of the palm that is depicted by the latent print lifted by the tape? If so, measuring a palm of someone with a hand size similar to LHO might let you determine the approximate size of the tape and the card.

[Walt Cakebread]

Would it be feasible to determine the relative portion of the palm that is depicted by the latent print lifted by the tape? If so, measuring a palm of someone with a hand size similar to LHO might let you determine the approximate size of the tape and the card.

The print would be about 3/4" in dimension, whereas Latonia in CE 638 circled an area that's two inches.

[Walt Cakebread]

To the less informed, the conspiracy Warren Commission theories might seem credible. As more details are learned, the conspiracy Warren Commission theories typically become less believable, at least to those who listen to reason. Sadly, most people do not know very many of the details of the assassination and many of them fall prey to those who feed off their paranoia hatred toward Oswald.

Also works fine.

One sees the glass as half full..... The other sees the glass as half empty.      Only the person who knows whether the glass is being emptied or filled can be correct.....

And the LNers are convinced that the official story from the WR is true and they will not scrutinize the story......On the other hand the CT's have seen giant flaws in the official tale and attempt to use those flaws while at the same time accepting other serious flaws as facts....   Example.....  A large portion of all debaters from both sides believe that the carcano was the murder weapon, because the authorities said so.....   I'm 100% certain that the carcano was not the murder weapon and it was never fired that day....   

This is a huge hurdle to try to get over......  because the entire case revolves around that carcano ..........The carcano is a central piece of evidence....   However there is more than ample evidence that refutes the FBI's stance that the carcano was the murder weapon.     One simply needs to accept that the FBI was lying.....and that's a huge hurdle....

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Impressions from under this band should appear on lift

No, not under the band.....  The lift was made from the wooden forgrip and the band did in fact interfer with the tape lying smoothly on the foregrip.  That band can be seen at the far left of the lift.

[Charles Collins]

The print would be about 3/4" in dimension, whereas Latonia in CE 638 circled an area that's two inches.

I personally can’t see enough detail of the print or the lift from those photos to be any more exact than a general estimate. But a similar area on my hand as indicated by the circle on the print measures no more than 1-1/2”. So how does that fit in with the argument?