Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Walt Cakebread]

Thanks, I was confused at first regarding the piece named Top Cap/Upper Forearm because of its position below the assembled rifle. But finally figured it out (it goes on top, hence “top cap”). So, does the bayonet in it’s stored position slide into the slot as you described earlier? And the top of the slot is open to the bottom of the barrel? Is that assumption correct?

Top cap/upper forearm =  hand guard......   the hand guard prevents the shooter's left thumb from coming in contact with the hot barrel when the rifle is being fired.     But you've figured it out.....

So, does the bayonet in it’s stored position slide into the slot as you described earlier? And the top of the slot is open to the bottom of the barrel? Is that assumption correct?

The bayonet blade does not "slide into" the slot provided for it at the front of the stock....  The the bayonet stays attached to the barrel and the blade folds back like a pocket knife. The bayonet blade folds back into the slot , like a pocket knife blade.

The slot is not open ( at the bottom ) to the barrel..... The slot is about 1/2 inch deep....so there is about 3/8 of an inch of the wood stock between the bottom of the slot and the metal barrel

[Charles Collins]

Top cap/upper forearm =  hand guard......   the hand guard prevents the shooter's left thumb from coming in contact with the hot barrel when the rifle is being fired.     But you've figured it out.....

So, does the bayonet in it’s stored position slide into the slot as you described earlier? And the top of the slot is open to the bottom of the barrel? Is that assumption correct?

The bayonet blade does not "slide into" the slot provided for it at the front of the stock....  The the bayonet stays attached to the barrel and the blade folds back like a pocket knife. The bayonet blade folds back into the slot , like a pocket knife blade.

The slot is not open ( at the bottom ) to the barrel..... The slot is about 1/2 inch deep....so there is about 3/8 of an inch of the wood stock between the bottom of the slot and the metal barrel

Okay, thank you very much. That description is quite different from my earlier assumption. I have learned the hard way (many different times and ways) not to rely to heavily on assumptions. Now hopefully our discussion can move along in the correct direction.

[Christer Jacobsson]

The true facts concerning "Oswald's rifle"

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0CbHeZjHZ8   

2: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor   

[Walt Cakebread]

The true facts concerning "Oswald's rifle"

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0CbHeZjHZ8   

2: https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-evidence-is-the-conspiracy-the-carbine-on-the-6th-floor   

Hi Christer .... I sincerely hope that you posted those links as Joke.....  Because they are ridiculously absurd....

[Walt Cakebread]

Okay, thank you very much. That description is quite different from my earlier assumption. I have learned the hard way (many different times and ways) not to rely to heavily on assumptions. Now hopefully our discussion can move along in the correct direction.

I love it when information can be presented and discussed and debated in an attempt to determine the FACTS.  I had hoped that Mr Organ would be less dogmatic and more honest..... but for whatever reason refuses to engage in candid discussion.    He and I have been spitting at each other about the exact location at which the carcano was found.   Not much progress has been made, and he still believes that the official DPD in situ photo is the authentic photo of the rifle as it was found by Eugene Boone and Seymour Weitzman.    This in spite of the fact that their descriptions given in their affidavits,  of the rifle's position and location, does not fit with the official DPD in situ photo.   

[Charles Collins]

I love it when information can be presented and discussed and debated in an attempt to determine the FACTS.  I had hoped that Mr Organ would be less dogmatic and more honest..... but for whatever reason refuses to engage in candid discussion.    He and I have been spitting at each other about the exact location at which the carcano was found.   Not much progress has been made, and he still believes that the official DPD in situ photo is the authentic photo of the rifle as it was found by Eugene Boone and Seymour Weitzman.    This in spite of the fact that their descriptions given in their affidavits,  of the rifle's position and location, does not fit with the official DPD in situ photo.   

I love it when information can be presented and discussed and debated in an attempt to determine the FACTS.

Yes, now that we know enough information about the relevant details we can confidently say that the groove for the bayonet wasn't in a location to affect a lift off the bottom of the barrel. I have thought about the possible reasons for the two parallel lines and currently believe the following theory. The channel in the wooden stock for the barrel is rounded on the bottom in every rifle I have ever seen. So I assume that the Carcano is the same (please correct me if this is not accurate). This groove is very slightly larger than the barrel, for clearance, and typically it's depth is about half the diameter of the barrel (again, please correct me if this is inaccurate).

For illustration purposes I drilled a 5/8" diameter hole in a piece of 1" square dowel. Then I split the square dowel in half with a band saw to form a similar channel in the square dowel (representing the rifle stock) for use with the 5/8" round wooden dowel (that represents the rifle barrel). I needed to sand the inside of the channel just enough for clearance for the round dowel to sit all the way to the bottom of the channel. Here are some photos of what I just described above:










As can be seen, there is a very slight gap on both sides of the round dowel between the round dowel and the channel in the square dowel. Dust and dirt, etc can and will enter this gap and fall towards the bottom of the channel. However, the round dowel (barrel) is resting on the bottom of the channel causing the gap to get narrower towards the bottom of the channel. Therefore the size of the dust and dirt will limit how far down the gap it can travel before it gets trapped. And two lines of this debris, similar to what can be seen on the lift from the rifle, will be the result. A less than 100% thorough cleaning of the underside of the barrel might leave a small portion of these lines (the portion very close to the bayonet lug) on the barrel. I believe that this theory is a likely one that could explain why the debris formed the two lines.

[Walt Cakebread]

I love it when information can be presented and discussed and debated in an attempt to determine the FACTS.

Yes, now that we know enough information about the relevant details we can confidently say that the groove for the bayonet wasn't in a location to affect a lift off the bottom of the barrel. I have thought about the possible reasons for the two parallel lines and currently believe the following theory. The channel in the wooden stock for the barrel is rounded on the bottom in every rifle I have ever seen. So I assume that the Carcano is the same (please correct me if this is not accurate). This groove is very slightly larger than the barrel, for clearance, and typically it's depth is about half the diameter of the barrel (again, please correct me if this is inaccurate).

Charles you're are thinking....and you're right ...the 5/8"metal barrel is in fact supported by the wooden stock...However in the case of the carcano the barrel is not supported by the wooden stock along the entire length...... There are two "cut outs" the  in the bottom of the barrel channel groove.  The cut outs are routered out elongated holes in the bottom of the barrel grove.  The larger of the two router holes is about four inches long and the other router hole is about 2 1/4 inches long. this shorter router hole is located direct beneath the barrel in the exact place where the 'palm print" is shown in the palm print photo.

 

For illustration purposes I drilled a 5/8" diameter hole in a piece of 1" square dowel. Then I split the square dowel in half with a band saw to form a similar channel in the square dowel (representing the rifle stock) for use with the 5/8" round wooden dowel (that represents the rifle barrel). I needed to sand the inside of the channel just enough for clearance for the round dowel to sit all the way to the bottom of the channel. Here are some photos of what I just described above:










As can be seen, there is a very slight gap on both sides of the round dowel between the round dowel and the channel in the square dowel. Dust and dirt, etc can and will enter this gap and fall towards the bottom of the channel. However, the round dowel (barrel) is resting on the bottom of the channel causing the gap to get narrower towards the bottom of the channel. Therefore the size of the dust and dirt will limit how far down the gap it can travel before it gets trapped. And two lines of this debris, similar to what can be seen on the lift from the rifle, will be the result. A less than 100% thorough cleaning of the underside of the barrel might leave a small portion of these lines (the portion very close to the bayonet lug) on the barrel. I believe that this theory is a likely one that could explain why the debris formed the two lines.

Your theory is not possible because the 2 1/4 inch long routered out cavity directly below the area where the palm print is shown to be in the palm print photo ( CE 639)

[Charles Collins]

Your theory is not possible because the 2 1/4 inch long routered out cavity directly below the area where the palm print is shown to be in the palm print photo ( CE 639)

What are you talking about, a notch for the bayonet lug to slide into? Please explain this routered out cavity in detail. You already told us that there is about 3/8” of wood between the groove for the bayonet itself (when stored) and the bottom of the barrel. So your descriptions are confusing and seem to be conflicting..