Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Walt Cakebread]

'I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do'
> Oswald: 'I'm just a PATSY!'

Oops..

Hey stupid......   Lee being a freelance who created his own scenes , doesn't mean that others couldn't have used his antics for their own schemes.      And made him a scapegoat.       You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.

[Bill Chapman]

They ordered him to fake defect to the USSR, he then denounced (as part of this act) the US while in the Soviet Union, they ordered him back to the US, they ordered him to pretend to admire Castro, they ordered him to Mexico City to fake defect (or try to) to Cuba, they ordered him to bring his rifle to the TSBD.....

And he went along with all of this and much much more.

But having him say critical things about JFK was a bridge too far, was something he simply wouldn't do.

If he's pretending to be a Marxist, if he's pretending to admire Castro, if he's pretending to denounce the US, he's going to pretend to dislike Kennedy as part of this act. That's obvious to anyone.

But he didn't. Why not?

Dr Hartogs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#cite_note-WarrenChapter7-18

"Lee has to be diagnosed as "personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive-aggressive tendencies". Lee has to be seen as an emotionally, quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother."[17]

[17] Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-7.html#newyork

[Walt Cakebread]

Dr Hartogs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald#cite_note-WarrenChapter7-18

"Lee has to be diagnosed as "personality pattern disturbance with schizoid features and passive-aggressive tendencies". Lee has to be seen as an emotionally, quite disturbed youngster who suffers under the impact of really existing emotional isolation and deprivation, lack of affection, absence of family life and rejection by a self involved and conflicted mother."[17]

[17] Chapter 7: Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-7.html#newyork

Hey Crapman.... This is nothing new.... It's the same old BS you liars have been trying to sell for the last half century....

[Bill Chapman]

Do the Math!

JohnM

High school drop-outs are the last people you should be asking to do anything at all, let alone the math..

[Bill Chapman]

Hey stupid......   Lee being a freelance who created his own scenes , doesn't mean that others couldn't have used his antics for their own schemes.      And made him a scapegoat.       You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you.

Odd-wald + Odd-walt: Liars R us

[Jon Banks]

John, we had this claim - it's the only one that I know of where Oswald allegedly was critical of JFK - from Volkmar Schmidt. This is from the PBS special "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".

NARRATOR: "At a party in February 1963, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt. The two hunkered down by a window to talk politics.

VOLKMAR SCHMIDT: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt's problem re credibility is that he was interviewed shortly after the assassination by the FBI and he said he and Oswald never discussed politics in their discussion. And nowhere in the FBI interview did he mention the above obsession by LHO. His story is simply not credible to me.

On the other hand, it's very odd that if Oswald was pretending to be a Marxist, pretending to be a supporter of Castro's that anti-Kennedy views wouldn't be part of this cover or "legend." In other words, if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views? It makes no sense otherwise. Why pretend to dislike the US and not also pretend to dislike the head of that country?

Oswald was a complicated guy but as someone of the Left, I don’t see how supporting Marxism equates to disliking the US. One can criticize capitalism and racism (Oswald did both but so too did MLK Jr) while not disliking the US as a whole.

Of course, in the early 1960s it made no difference. Being labeled a “Commie” was almost as bad as being labeled a Nazi.

In other words, the nuances of Oswald’s views didn’t matter at the time when JFK was murdered. The facts that he was a self-identified Marxist and had lived in the USSR looked bad enough in the court of public opinion.

[Walt Cakebread]

Oswald was a complicated guy but as someone of the Left, I don’t see how supporting Marxism equates to disliking the US. One can criticize capitalism and racism (Oswald did both but so too did MLK Jr) while not disliking the US as a whole.

Of course, in the early 1960s it made no difference. Being labeled a “Commie” was almost as bad as being labeled a Nazi.

In other words, the nuances of Oswald’s views didn’t matter at the time when JFK was murdered. The facts that he was a self-identified Marxist and had lived in the USSR looked bad enough in the court of public opinion.

The facts that he was a self-identified Marxist and had lived in the USSR looked bad enough in the court of public opinion.

The court of public opinion.....    Where did the public get the information on which they based their opinion?  News papers radio and TV......  And the reporters got their information from the authorities.....Like Henry Wade who told reporters that they had found Lee Oswald's finger prints on the rifle.....It was a bare faced lie, they had not found any identifiable finger prints on the rifle, but the reporters didn't know that, so they passed that information to the public.   

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Oswald was a complicated guy but as someone of the Left, I don’t see how supporting Marxism equates to disliking the US. One can criticize capitalism and racism (Oswald did both but so too did MLK Jr) while not disliking the US as a whole.

Of course, in the early 1960s it made no difference. Being labeled a “Commie” was almost as bad as being labeled a Nazi.

In other words, the nuances of Oswald’s views didn’t matter at the time when JFK was murdered. The facts that he was a self-identified Marxist and had lived in the USSR looked bad enough in the court of public opinion.

Jon: Yes, but he wrote that he disliked the American political and economic systems. He compared them, unfavorably, to the Soviet system. He said both were "slave" systems that needed to be overthrown. Michael Paine said that Oswald told him that the US system was irredeemable and couldn't be changed; that it needed to be replaced.

Here's Oswald: "I have lived under both systems; I have sought the answers and although it would be very easy to dupe myself into believing one system is better than the other, I know they are not.
I despise the representatives of both systems whether they be socialist or Christian democracies, whether they be labor or conservative, they are all products of the two systems. "

So, whether he disliked America or not he certainly didn't care for our economic and political systems. Whether his belief in Marxism was simply an explanation for the world he disliked - and given his childhood it's understandable that he'd be alienated from it - or not can be debated I guess. I think he had a bit more sophisticated understanding of some of its basic concepts than others think, e.g., his views on surplus value for example were pretty solid.

As to his views on JFK: they are a puzzle, aren't they? If he was pretending to be a Marxist, if this was an act I would think part of it would be to denounce JFK. But if he was a sincere Marxist (as he understood it) and an admirer of Castro I would also think he'd be critical of JFK. But we can't find anything other than the Schmidt story.