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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2021, 12:14:26 AM »
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Also, neither Brennan, nor Amos Euins saw any scope on the rifle protruding out the window.

Neither  Bob Jackson nor Malcolm Couch saw any scope

Depends on their line-of-sight, the position of the rifle that each witness saw and how much contrast the background had relative to the scope.

If they all AGREED they saw a scope, you wouldn't be satisfied with that.

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All 4 of these “rifle seen sticking out the window” witnesses were closer to the gunman at the SE window than Arnold Rowland was to a man seen by Rowland at the SW window at 12:15 and  Rowland WAS able to see a scope.



Rowland saw a man "momentarily" with the rifle at "port arms". In that moment and from that distance, he saw the man's "well-combed" dark hair, shirt "unbuttoned about halfway". "There could have been a scar, if it hadn't been a dark scar". He also saw "three women" on the overpass.

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #88 on: August 14, 2021, 12:14:26 AM »


Offline John Mytton

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #89 on: August 14, 2021, 12:28:44 AM »
"advanced scientific techniques proving their authenticity".  LOL.

The HSCA devoted 88 pages discussing the backyard photos and used photogrammetry, microscopic grain examination, lens distortion analysis, camera created artefacts, stereoscopic techniques, vanishing point inspection, shadow evaluation, etc etc  whereas the Conspiracy Believers simply say "that doesn't look right" so they must be fake.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/pdf/HSCA_Vol6_4B1_Backyard.pdf

Btw putting an "LOL" after any fact that you object to is extremely juvenile and proves absolutely nothing but it does reinforce your lack of knowledge and/or expertise, so keep it up Johnny boy!

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #90 on: August 14, 2021, 11:27:59 AM »
Yes, the FBI and Dallas Police and Secret Service and others joined up with waitresses and steamfitters and cab drivers and warehouse workers - all of this orchestrated by the nefarious "they" and "them"  - to murder the president in broad daylight in the middle of the street with hundreds of people watching - some with cameras and frame an innocent man.

Then some of the most distinguished men in America, including the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, all agreed to cover all of this up. For more than half a century.

Why would they do this? Well, Vietnam or civil rights or oil depletion allowance or something.

But the real concern is the psychological well-being of the people who don't believe this? Sorry, no.

'with hundreds of people watching'

The Truman Oswald Show
Except that Oswald was a bad actor and Jim Carrey won an Oscar

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #91 on: August 14, 2021, 06:34:45 PM »
The HSCA devoted 88 pages discussing the backyard photos and used photogrammetry, microscopic grain examination, lens distortion analysis, camera created artefacts, stereoscopic techniques, vanishing point inspection, shadow evaluation, etc etc  whereas the Conspiracy Believers simply say "that doesn't look right" so they must be fake.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol6/pdf/HSCA_Vol6_4B1_Backyard.pdf

Btw putting an "LOL" after any fact that you object to is extremely juvenile and proves absolutely nothing but it does reinforce your lack of knowledge and/or expertise, so keep it up Johnny boy!

JohnM
Oswald just happened to have a Carcano rifle and it just happened to have a couple of notches that sorta' resembled the ones on the rifle recovered from the sniper's nest. But, no, they were different. "It doesn't look the same". The experts were wrong. Because "LOL."

Sure, maybe they were wrong. But just dismissing it with the juvenile "LOL" isn't showing it.

Poor Oswald. He just decided to leave his money to Marina that day, he just decided to leave his wedding ring, he just decided to bring curtain rods to work, he just decided to leave the building shortly after the assassination, he just decided to go see a move and not watch the TV, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided.....

Lots of people "just decide" to do things like that and Oswald was just like lots of other people. Except Oswald was not like lots of people (he defected to the USSR for example) and he did all of those things not some of them.

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #92 on: August 14, 2021, 06:37:48 PM »
'with hundreds of people watching'

The Truman Oswald Show
Except that Oswald was a bad actor and Jim Carrey won an Oscar
I once had an "exchange" (using that word loosely) with a couple of conspiracy believers who said just that, it was a "Truman show." The reason "they" killed JFK this way - in broad daylight, with hundreds watching - was deliberate. It was a "show" to tell the public that they better watch it, that if they support someone like JFK who was going to challenge our overlords that really run the country that this is going to happen. A public execution so to speak.




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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #92 on: August 14, 2021, 06:37:48 PM »


Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #93 on: August 14, 2021, 07:01:04 PM »
Oswald just happened to have a Carcano rifle and it just happened to have a couple of notches that sorta' resembled the ones on the rifle recovered from the sniper's nest. But, no, they were different. "It doesn't look the same". The experts were wrong. Because "LOL."

Sure, maybe they were wrong. But just dismissing it with the juvenile "LOL" isn't showing it.

Poor Oswald. He just decided to leave his money to Marina that day, he just decided to leave his wedding ring, he just decided to bring curtain rods to work, he just decided to leave the building shortly after the assassination, he just decided to go see a move and not watch the TV, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided.....

Lots of people "just decide" to do things like that and Oswald was just like lots of other people. Except Oswald was not like lots of people (he defected to the USSR for example) and he did all of those things not some of them.

"Poor Oswald. He just decided to leave his money to Marina that day, he just decided to leave his wedding ring, he just decided to bring curtain rods to work, he just decided to leave the building shortly after the assassination, he just decided to go see a move and not watch the TV, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided, he just decided....."

Does any of this provide proof that Lee shot JFK?   

I believe Lee thought he was playing a role in a HOAX .....That involved evidence being planted that would make it appear as if he had fired a shot (or shots)at JFK and then fled to Cuba.  ( The same basic hoax he had played at Walker's in April. )

I believe that he realized that he may not see Marina or the girls again if he succeeded in his scheme to infiltrate Cuba as he had infiltrated the USSR in 1959.... Thus al of the items you mentioned could have applied to the hoax attempt .....

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #94 on: August 14, 2021, 07:22:12 PM »
I once had an "exchange" (using that word loosely) with a couple of conspiracy believers who said just that, it was a "Truman show." The reason "they" killed JFK this way - in broad daylight, with hundreds watching - was deliberate. It was a "show" to tell the public that they better watch it, that if they support someone like JFK who was going to challenge our overlords that really run the country that this is going to happen. A public execution so to speak.

While that's feasible.....I doubt that the murder was executed as a warning to the American people....   The person(S) that shot JFK truly hated him.....   Mr Big who was backing those shooters who despised JFK used that hatred to his advantage.....

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Re: The Carcano: What Oswald Apologists don't want to hear
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2021, 08:37:25 PM »

Again..

Irrefutable evidence which shows Oswald's innocence:

http://krusch.com/jfkshell/story_html5.html   Thumb1: