Howard Brennan, the unwrinkled bus transfer, Dallas Transit owner Harry Weinberg

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin, I referred to Markham and her viewing of the jacket in the post that you first responded to on this.  Here it is again:

The film showing the jacket was taken at a different time and at a different location than when and where Markham viewed it. The lighting may have differed considerably.


Your response was:

As I said, your mind has wandered on you here.

Now you are just playing games. Our discussion started when you posted the black and white video of a police officer holding the jacket in the parking lot. I never discussed Markham.

You've just contradicted yourself in a single paragraph. "to argue that the amount of sunlight was different from street to street is just plain stupid" vs "It may well have been that the shade could have made the jacket appear darker than it really was"

And now you pretend to be dense. There was no contradiction. Even if the shade limits the amount of sunshine coming through at some point, the sunshine itself is just the same as it is at another location where there is no shade. When you feel the need to argue at this level, you really have a weak case.

The stills in the graphic put together by John Mytton would beg to differ.

No, they don't... the pictures show the jacket at several different locations with different shades. I was talking about a jacket being seen at one location and in bright sunlight.

What else would he be going by?

I have no idea and it doesn't matter.

How do you know that Griffin would have bothered to double check on the color of the jacket before reporting it's discovery to dispatch? The jacket appeared to be white to him . He wasn't risking his job by reporting on what he saw and believed.

Really? I think you argue for argument's sake, but never mind. There was bright sunlight in the parking lot and Griffin saw a white jacket.

[Bill Brown]

You've just contradicted yourself in a single paragraph. "to argue that the amount of sunlight was different from street to street is just plain stupid" vs "It may well have been that the shade could have made the jacket appear darker than it really was"

Weidmann is backpedaling instead of admitting he misspoke.

[Gary Craig]

Martin, it seems that you're not the one paying attention here. Your mind has wandered on you. Mrs. Markham's description of the jacket. Remember that? Where was she at the time? Where was the jacket at that time? Was it in full blazing sunlight?

The point of posting photos of a guy walking through areas with shade and sunlight is to demonstrate that the jacket he had on can appear to be white when in full sunlight and brown or tan when in shaded areas.

To Griffin, the jacket appeared to be white. When he called in the discovery of what they believed to be the suspect's white jacket, he was going by the description of the suspect that had been called in to Dispatch by Patrolman R.W. Walker at 1:22.

"We have a description on this suspect over here on Jefferson. Last seen about 300 block of East Jefferson. He's a white male, about thirty, five eight, black hair, slender, wearing white jacket, a white shirt and dark slacks."

"The point of posting photos of a guy walking through areas with shade and sunlight is to demonstrate that the jacket he had on can appear to be white when in full sunlight and brown or tan when in shaded areas."



BS It looks like a white jacket whether it's in the bright sunlight or in the shade.

[Tim Nickerson]

#82747f color description : dark magentaish gray/dark fuchsiaish gray.

https://www.beautycolorcode.com/82747f

[John Iacoletti]

Two questions about your montage.

Is the jacket worn by the man in these photos CE 162?

Which photo in the montage do you think looks like a "brown jacket"?

[Tim Nickerson]

Wow, what a detour on that speculation bus with Bledsoe having her answers written down prior to being interviewed!

Mary Bledsoe positively identified the shirt well before her deposition. Well before she was ever asked to give a deposition actually. She was shown the shirt on Dec 4, 1963 by two FBI agents and was able to positively identify it for them. She did not receive notification that she was required to appear before the Commission until March 1964.

Just to remind you: I asked about evidence of Oswald wearing the arrest shirt at work, meaning the TSBD.

Just to remind you: I already answered your question. Just to recap, with some additional detail, Mary Bledsoe positively identified CE 150 as being the shirt that she saw Oswald wearing on McWatter's bus. The bus transfer found in the pocket of that shirt after Oswald was arrested further attests that Oswald had that shirt on when on the bus. McWatters mistook the shirt for a jacket. As did Bardwell Odum. Officer Baker said he thought that Oswald had on a  light jacket that was brown in color but later admitted that it could very well have been a shirt. Oswald never owned a brown jacket. The brown attire that  Baker saw Oswald wearing in the second floor lunchroom of the TSBD was CE 150.

[Richard Smith]

The notion that fantasy conspirators somehow faked Oswald's presence on the bus is among one of the more puzzling CTers claims (which is saying a great deal).  Why would they fake a bus trip that takes Oswald nowhere?  Imagine the risk for no apparent gain.  Let's assume they faked the bus ride to cover up some other means that Oswald gets to his boarding house.  How do they know the bus gets stuck in traffic?  How do they arrange a fake cab ride?  Why bother if they wanted Oswald to be caught or killed in the aftermath?  How would they know they could convince those on a random bus to confirm, or at least not contradict, Oswald's presence?  The bus ride to nowhere is ludicrous as part of planned event as it achieves no real objective, entails significant risk, and requires real-time knowledge of the bus, its passengers etc.   

[Tim Nickerson]

Tony, you stole my REID move ;-)

The only way out for a true LN fanatic is to fabricate yet another absurdity, it deserves to be highlighted:

I doubt Richard Smith will ever top that one!

The most likely scenario is that Oswald had removed the shirt after the encounter with Baker and tucked it under his pants belt in the back. That's why Mrs Reid never saw it. If she had turned to face him after he had gone by she would have seen the shirt hanging off of his belt.

Tom, what is absurd about that? Can you come up with anything more reasonable? Let's see you try. Go ahead, give it your best shot. Just keep in mind the following facts:

- Oswald was wearing CE-150 when he was on McWatter's bus.

- CE-150 was mistaken to be a jacket by Cecil McWatters.

- CE-150 was mistaken to be a jacket by Bardwell Odum.

- Marrion Baker saw Oswald wearing what looked to be a "light brown jacket" in the second floor lunchroom of the TSBD.

- Lee Harvey Oswald did not own a brown jacket.