Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

[Alan Ford]

Really? Sorry about that but I can see them using Chrome, Microsoft Edge and my android tablet.

JohnM

Odd! And frustrating!

I would be most grateful------------though of course this is cheekily asking you to go over and above--------------if you (or even someone else?) could post the two images via Imgur or somesuch alternative host?

[Dan O'meara]

Mr Mytton, I usually can see images you post, but cannot see either of the two you reference here? I have tried in multiple browsers............

[Jerry Freeman]

Question! What's holding this bag up?

I heard it was a broom handle. [short broom huh?]
                        http://www.freehomepage.com/jfkresearch/papersac.htm

[Richard Smith]

Yes------------------the wooden strip didn't come with a strap, you see, Mr Smith 

So you think they constructed this bag but then held the actual evidence (i.e. a wooden strip) with their bare hands?  Why would they do that?  Wouldn't the purpose of the bag in that scenario be to protect the wooden strip?  So they would have put it in the bag and closed it with the evidence inside.  Instead we see them holding the object that is inside the bag to avoid touching the bag.  What does that tell us?  It tells us they are trying to avoid touching the bag because - guess what - it "didn't come with a strap" and the bag is the evidence they are protecting.

[Walt Cakebread]

Thank you Richard, and when they had their paper fresh off the roll, they folded and crumpled it and somehow put Oswald's prints on it and instead of holding the bag with the evidence inside they held the evidence with the bag outside? And Ford thinks that is the sensible conclusion, hilarious!
The modern CT's who collectively after thousands or perhaps millions of hours investigating this case are still are no closer to proving a conspiracy and are now at the stage where they are reduced to this illogical garbage.

Tony Fratini and I had a similar debate and Tony established that the following Allen photo was taken about 3:15 which according to the shadows seems about right, and he concluded that this photo showed nail holes which "proves" that the window sill weather protector was gone and since the photos taken of the bag being taken out of the building were photographed at about 2:20 therefore Tony concluded that the bag was being held up by the window strip from the sill?


Tony Fratini's graphic

But a closer look shows that at the time the Allen photo was taken, that the window sill strip was still there and the Dallas Police took an almost identical photo and it also shows the strip to be still there. Therefore whatever was holding up the bag was not the window sill strip.



JohnM

Tony Fratini was an asset to this group ( unlike you Mytton)  I didn't always agree with Tony but I certainly respected his opinion.    I believe that he had serious health problems, so I hope that he's doing well....

[Gerry Down]

So one of the DPD officers used the hammer to pull off the wooden strip?

[Walt Cakebread]

I heard it was a broom handle. [short broom huh?]
                        http://www.freehomepage.com/jfkresearch/papersac.htm

Jerry, Many years ago I saw a photo of Detective Montgomery leaving the TSBD with detective Marvin Johnson to the rear and Johnson was carrying the viceroy cigarette package and a Dr pepper soda bottle ON A STICK .  Day admitted that he had checked the soda bottle but the finger prints on it were not lee Oswald's so they threw the soda bottle away.    THAT is an open admission that the DPD was framing Lee Oswald..  They weren't interested in any evidence that might have cleared Lee Oswald and pointed to the person who drank Dr pepper, and smoked Viceroy cigarettes.  I suspect that those items were handled by Charles Givens.....And Given's is the person who constructed the cubby hole ( "Sniper's Nest" ) as a place where he could hide from Shelley and smoke by an open window ( smoking was prohibited in the warehouse area's of the building )

The photo that I saw Showed a curved handle like a cane or an umbrella in detective Montgomery's hand.  When I saw that photo my first thought was there was a cane supporting the gigantic paper sack, and I didn't know that Montgomery used a cane.     That photo was published in a magazine or book .....And I can't remember where I saw that photo....

[Jerry Freeman]

Thank you Richard, and when they had their paper fresh off the roll, they folded and crumpled it and somehow put Oswald's prints on it and instead of holding the bag with the evidence inside they held the evidence with the bag outside? And Ford thinks that is the sensible conclusion, hilarious!

Why is everything with you guys' mutual admiration society hilarious or LOL? 
It would matter if perhaps Oswald did some pushups on the paper bag and left a complete set of fingerprints on it but I'll quote---

...the FBI Laboratory developed a latent palmprint and latent fingerprint on the bag. (See app. X, p. 565.) Sebastian F. Latona, supervisor of the FBI's Latent Fingerprint Section, identified these prints as the left index fingerprint and right palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald.181 The portion of the palm which was identified was the heel of the right palm, i.e., the area near the wrist, on the little finger side.182 These prints were examined independently by Ronald G. Wittmus of the FBI,183 and by Arthur Mandella, a fingerprint expert with the New York City Police Department. 184 Both concluded that the prints were the right palm and left index finger of Lee Oswald. No other identifiable prints were found on the bag.185

Oswald's palmprint on the bottom of the paper bag indicated, of course, that he had handled the bag. Furthermore, it was consistent with the bag having contained a heavy or bulky object when he handled it since a light object is usually held by the fingers.186 The palmprint was found on the closed end of the bag. It was from Oswald's right hand, in which he carried the long package as he walked from Frazier's car to the building.

If the bag was handled by the fingers...where are the rest of the prints? If the bag was created by Oswald in the first place...where is the abundance of those prints? Why only a left pinkie? Now that is what is hilarious
If the bag was carried like a suitcase..then why did as Frazier described ...like if someone were carrying some magazines or a couple of phonograph records or heavens...a couple of curtain rods tucked under the arm?

Mr Latona testified that he examined the fingerprints the very next day after the assassination. Wasn't that expeditious? His rather verbose testimony took longer...  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/latona.htm
However Mr Wittmus unsworn statement [months later BTW] was fortunately much briefer---

I, Ronald G. Wittmus, have reviewed the testimony of Sebastian Francis Latona before The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy and I agree with the conclusions stated therein.

Yeah...whatever he said
It appears from his testimony that Mr Mandella [any relation to Nelson?] identified these prints from photographs...

Mr. EISENBERG. That is Exhibit 659, and that exhibit contains two photographs which I now hand you, which are marked 659-A and 659-B?
Mr. MANDELLA. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. And did you identify the prints in those photographs?
Mr. MANDELLA. Yes; on photograph No. 1- 

And this topic of buses and cabs has drifted far enough huh?