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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #136 on: September 01, 2021, 08:13:34 PM »
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I didnt say that i thort that Oswald fired a (home made) hollow-point --  i merely meant that it might be possible.
Except that Oswald's shot-2 was not a hollow-point, ie the magic bullet.
And Oswald's shot-1 i think wasnt a hollow-point, koz i think that the pointy bit of that half of the FMJ is mostly there (ie not missing)(this is CE567 or CE569).
And Oswald did not fire a shot-3.
But if someone (silly) said that Oswald's shot-3 was the head-shot, & that it was a hollow-point (which would explain the explosion of JFK's head), then it might be difficult to disprove.
So, u are saying that my speculation that a carcano can fire a hollow-point bullet is garbage. Would u like to place some $$$$ on that?

Pssssst Marjan....WAKE UP!.....  Lee Oswald did NOT fire any shots on 11-22-63.....   So all of your speculation is just GARBAGE.

So, u are saying that my speculation that a carcano can fire a hollow-point bullet is garbage. Would u like to place some $$$$ on that?/i]

Go away ....and take your silly ideas with you.     There's no doubt that a carcano can fire a hollow point projectile, but there isn't an iota of evidence that a hollow point projectile was fired from any fire arm that day.     

I will agree that the bullet that tore JFK's brain out of his skull seems to have been a very special bullet.   That massive wound was not created by  any ordinary over the counter cartridge......  And since it is an established fact that the empty shells that were recovered in the TSBD were manufactured for the CIA.....  ( this isn't intended to say that those spent shells were fired that day, because they weren't... but they were from a CIA consignment ) It is also a well known fact that the CIA had manufactured some very sophisticated projectiles for assassination purposes.

(That ammo was intended to be used by the anti Castro forces,  But the fact remains the CIA had ammo that could easily have caused the massive wound on JFK's skull.)
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #137 on: September 01, 2021, 10:38:57 PM »
Me, myself, i have nailed who shot who & when & how.
U guys have discovered or invented a confusion of wrongness & irrelevance.
I dont expect everyone to work out the truth for themselves -- this takes genius.
But i expect at least a small number to recognize the truth when it is explained.
Then, we need a word for thems who dont recognize or understand the truth when it is explained.
Which category am i in?
Which category are u in?

Which category am i in?

You?  In the "delusional, needs help desperately" catergory

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #138 on: September 01, 2021, 11:09:25 PM »
Me, myself, i have nailed who shot who & when & how.
U guys have discovered or invented a confusion of wrongness & irrelevance.
I dont expect everyone to work out the truth for themselves -- this takes genius.
But i expect at least a small number to recognize the truth when it is explained.
Then, we need a word for thems who dont recognize or understand the truth when it is explained.
Which category am i in?
Which category are u in?


I dont expect everyone to work out the truth for themselves -- this takes genius.
But i expect at least a small number to recognize the truth when it is explained.


Hey, Genius, I've got an idea for you.....   Since you're a genius and you want everybody to recognize it.....  Then you should write a book and enlighten all of us about the truth.     Of course writing a book would take you away from this forum, but we've been struggling along for many years so I'm sure we could struggle on without your pearls of genius.

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #138 on: September 01, 2021, 11:09:25 PM »


Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #139 on: September 02, 2021, 01:19:53 AM »
I dont expect everyone to work out the truth for themselves -- this takes genius.
But i expect at least a small number to recognize the truth when it is explained.
Hey, Genius, I've got an idea for you.....   Since you're a genius and you want everybody to recognize it.....  Then you should write a book and enlighten all of us about the truth.     Of course writing a book would take you away from this forum, but we've been struggling along for many years so I'm sure we could struggle on without your pearls of genius.
I have 2 good books on my desk. Mortal Error. The Smoking Gun.
I could write a small book myself. But it would only have stuff already covered in my 290 or so postings on this forum.

This forum is full of LNers & CTers.
The sane CUers, like myself, have left.

Us CUers believe that there was a cover-up after, to hide that Hickey accidentally fired the headshot.
And me myself i have simply added that he fired a plurality of shots, an auto burst.

Oswald needed 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor, without running.
Hickey's 2nd last shot dented the chrome trim on the windshield.
The rest is easy.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2021, 02:40:23 AM »
I have 2 good books on my desk. Mortal Error. The Smoking Gun.
I could write a small book myself. But it would only have stuff already covered in my 290 or so postings on this forum.

This forum is full of LNers & CTers.
The sane CUers, like myself, have left.

Us CUers believe that there was a cover-up after, to hide that Hickey accidentally fired the headshot.
And me myself i have simply added that he fired a plurality of shots, an auto burst.

Oswald needed 48 sec to get to the 2nd floor, without running.
Hickey's 2nd last shot dented the chrome trim on the windshield.
The rest is easy.

Oswald whacked Tippit in cold blood while looking like himself to 11 ppl who ID'd him @ or nearby the ambush.

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« Reply #140 on: September 02, 2021, 02:40:23 AM »


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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #141 on: September 02, 2021, 03:26:39 AM »
A serious question John - When do you believe that Oswald gets into position in the SN?

There is very strong evidence that BRW is in or around the SN until a few minutes before the arrival of the motorcade - the main part of his lunch, a half-eaten piece of chicken, is found on top of the SN by multiple officers (at least 4 I believe), before the arrival of Fritz. The testimony of Jarman and Norman indicates BRW does not come down to the 5th floor until moments before the motorcade arrives.
The testimony of Rowland has a black male actually in the SN around 12:15pm

Is there a consensus within the LN community on this point.

In an Oswald-Did-It scenario it seems logical that Rowland's 'man with the rifle' is Oswald who, at some point, confronts/interacts with BRW and gets him to leave. That BRW simply goes downstairs to carry on watching the motorcade would indicate this 'confrontation' was not at rifle point. It is only after the event that BRW realizes he knows who the assassin is and tries to distance himself as much as possible from his lunch on the 6th floor (something definitely demonstrated by his testimony)

I think the general consensus among LNers is that Oswald was in the Sniper's nest from 12 on, mainly because no employees admitted to seeing Oswald in the building after 12 and as for Williams, I believe that it's possible that Bonnie Ray was at the sniper's nest sometime during the lunch break because to me it doesn't make sense that he found his work mates at the windows directly below, so why wouldn't he check out the sniper's nest windows in search of his work mates. Williams says in his testimony that he "could not possibly see anything to the east side of the building" which sounds like he's over compensating and as I explained above seems pretty suss. And finally by Ford's non sequitur question immediately after this exchange, of asking Williams about being in trouble with the law indicates to me that they were thinking along the same line. And it also explains the somewhat conflicting recollections of Williams, Jarman and Norman in the following weeks.

Mr. DULLES. How much of the room could you see as you finished your lunch there? Was your view obstructed by boxes of books, or could you see a good bit of the sixth floor?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, at the time I couldn't see too much of the sixth floor, because the books at the time were stacked so high. I could see only in the path that I was standing--as I remember, I could not possibly see anything to the east side of the building. But just one aisle, the aisle I was standing in I could see just about to the west side of the building. So far as seeing to the east and behind me, I could only see down the aisle behind me and the aisle to the west of me.
Representative FORD.Have you ever had any trouble with the law at all?
Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir.


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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #142 on: September 02, 2021, 04:06:12 AM »
Oswald whacked Tippit in cold blood while looking like himself to 11 ppl who ID'd him @ or nearby the ambush.
Oswald's shot-2 (the magic bullet) some say would have killed JFK within days.
But he didnt fire his remaining bullet -- why not?
And i have explained on this forum that Oswald decided (not to fire a shot-3) immediately after he had fired his shot-2.
But anyhow he then saw Hickey shoot JFK at Z313 (ie at about when he would have fired his shot-3) -- hence he knew that he was a patsy.
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #143 on: September 04, 2021, 01:21:12 AM »
If you want to be gullible...  go ahead. Ignorance is bliss, but you're wrong nevertheless.
Here's a hint; in the tv footage (I think) you refer to, he reaches the 4th floor at 35 seconds after the shots. Adams and Styles needed less than 20 seconds to get to the stairs (on the 4th floor) after the last shot. Do the math.
Btw, Dorothy Garner said that she saw Officer Baker and Mr. Truly come up after the girls went down. If Oswald (or whoever it was) had come down before the women, Baker and Truly would have had to meet the women on the stairs after their lunchroom encounter. Guess what.... they didn't!
Nice story. Too bad there is not a shred of evidence for it.
Uh Oh -- He hears Adams & Styles klomping down the stairs above him in a real hurry on a mission.
Pure speculation and also wrong. If Oswald came down the stairs it would have been directly after Adams and Styles and not before them. Study the timeline and you'll find it impossible for him to have been in front of them.
If you want to be gullible...  go ahead. Ignorance is bliss, but you're wrong nevertheless.
Here's a hint; in the tv footage (I think) you refer to, he reaches the 4th floor at 35 seconds after the shots. Adams and Styles needed less than 20 seconds to get to the stairs (on the 4th floor) after the last shot. Do the math.
Btw, Dorothy Garner said that she saw Officer Baker and Mr. Truly come up after the girls went down. If Oswald (or whoever it was) had come down before the women, Baker and Truly would have had to meet the women on the stairs after their lunchroom encounter. Guess what.... they didn't!
[my reply back then][ No, Adams & Styles went from the window to their lift, then they went to the stairs. They were 10 sec or more behind Oswald. And they couldnt see Oswald walking around on their 4th floor from one leg of the stairs to the other leg koz of the stacks of books etc.
Adams & Styles exited the rear door from the 1st floor a few seconds after Truly & Baker entered the 1st floor.]

Ok, the Adams & Styles & Garner timing, versus the Oswald timing, for getting to the 4th floor rear stairway, is a major lynchpin of the JFK accidental homicide. So, lets have a closer look.
Adams & Styles see/hear the kerfuffle from their office 4th floor window.
They delay a few seconds then take off to have a better look.
They firstly go to their lift, at the east end of the 4th floor.
They spend a few seconds at the lift, then decide to enter the storeroom area & go to the rear stairs.
I always reckoned that they entered the storeroom area by using the doorway near the lift, in which case they would then best walk north along the eastern wall, ie just like Oswald probly did 2 floors above.
But, i am happy to accept that Adams & Styles didn’t use that there door, i am happy to accept that they retraced their steps back into & throo their office, past Garner, & then entered the storeroom throo their office door, in which case they would probly then have walked west towards the western wall, then walked north to the stairs.
Whether they used the door near the lift, or the door from their office duznt make much difference. The critical thing is that Oswald was in the 4th floor storeroom at the same time as Adams & Styles were in the 4th floor storeroom. The critical aspect of this is that they could have seen each other, but didn’t.
Oswald got down to the 4th floor in say 35 sec, & was at least say 10 sec ahead of Adams & Styles. He had to walk around from one leg of the stairs to the other leg, about say 10 paces.
Adams & Styles had the chance to see Oswald when they caught their first glimpse of the stairs. Depending on which door they had used, their first glimpse would have been when looking west along the northern aisle of stacked boxes, or when looking north along the western aisle of boxes.
Looking north along the western aisle of boxes would have taken longer. It would have been a few seconds shorter/quicker for them to enter the storeroom via the door near the lift. But if Garner followed them to the stairs then it makes sense that they had used their office door. Garner is less likely to have "followed them" if they had used the door near the lift. Unless of course they had used the door near the lift & had then turned & walked west past their office door, in which case Garner could then have "followed them".  But that is unlikely. The office door would have been shut. Garner would not have seen them. But praps Garner heard them klomping west past the door, & decided to follow. Or, it was a fluke, Garner coincidentally used the office door & found that Adams & Styles were ahead, & probly not even aware that Garner was following. Or, Adams & Styles used the door near the lift & then went north & then west, while Garner used the office door & went west then north, & Garner saw Adams & Styles enter the stairs whilst Garner was walking north, in which case Garner didn’t really follow them in a true sense.
In the end Garner didn’t use the stairs, she stopped at i think the last window near the stairs, & she watched the commotion in the railway carpark, which i think was her intention all along, koz the windows on the western wall in her office were blocked.
A while later Garner saw Truly & Baker rush around from one leg of the stairs to the other leg, about 5 paces away from her, but they didn’t notice her, or they forgot that they saw her.
Anyhow, the critical thing is that Adams & Styles didn’t see Oswald, he was more than 10 sec ahead of them, mainly koz they had lost time due to their detour to their lift.
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Re: Oswald: No power lunch
« Reply #143 on: September 04, 2021, 01:21:12 AM »