Oswald: No power lunch

[Richard Smith]

He could have picked just about anyone who worked there and said they passed by. 

Yeah sure, except he described exactly those two individuals who were actually there.

And they probably did given the time and location and fact that many employees were heading out for the motorcade.

The sighting happened at around 12:25 when most employees were already outside in front of the building. When Jarman and Norman entered through the backdoor there was nobody else there, at least they didn't see anybody there.

Oswald had also worked there for weeks and observed the patterns of behavior.  He would have know who had lunch where and with whom on a typical day.  It would be no great feat to make something up. 

Except this wasn't a typical day, so his observations would have been worthless

More importantly, though, who saw Oswald there?

And pray tell, who saw Oswald on the 6th floor at 12:25? The answer is; nobody.... so your conclusion must be that he wasn't there, right?

So the contrarian who believe no evidence, no matter how solid, when it relates to Oswald's guilt entertains this theory?  LOL.  Again, who saw Oswald there?  Would the conspirators frame an individual for this crime while he was freely roaming about the building and could be in the presence of anyone or, if he acted reasonably, be on the street with dozens of witnesses to give him an alibi?  And as John points out, Oswald can observe events from the 6th floor window including folks entering the building.  It's laughable to suggest that because Oswald said he was somewhere else in the building that this constitutes an alibi.  Particularly coming from a contrarian who applies an impossible standard of proof to any evidence that suggests guilt. 

[Richard Smith]

Do you have a single witness who said they saw Lee Oswald hanging far out of the window in a manner that he could have seen Jarman and Norman who were standing with their backs to the SE corner of the TSBD. 

Oswald sat in his snipers nest all lunch ....Did he and  Bonnie Ray Williams share the SE corner?

Do you have a single witness who places Oswald in the domino room or anywhere else in the building at the time of the assassination?

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald sat in his snipers nest all lunch and at the windows directly below two men suddenly appear, guess who?

JohnM

If Oswald sat in the snipers nest he would not have been able to see who was directly below him on the sidewalk, as you demonstrated so perfectly by posting this picture;



and btw, two man did not suddenly appear on the sidewalk, they left it, by turning left and walking next to the building on the Houston street sidewalk.

[Martin Weidmann]

So the contrarian who believe no evidence, no matter how solid, when it relates to Oswald's guilt entertains this theory?  LOL.  Again, who saw Oswald there?  Would the conspirators frame an individual for this crime while he was freely roaming about the building and could be in the presence of anyone or, if he acted reasonably, be on the street with dozens of witnesses to give him an alibi?  And as John points out, Oswald can observe events from the 6th floor window including folks entering the building.  It's laughable to suggest that because Oswald said he was somewhere else in the building that this constitutes an alibi.  Particularly coming from a contrarian who applies an impossible standard of proof to any evidence that suggests guilt.

So the contrarian who believe no evidence, no matter how solid, when it relates to Oswald's guilt entertains this theory?

BS. I merely corrected you misrepresentations. But now you have made me curious. What "solid" evidence are you talking about?

And I do believe conclusive evidence, just not the superficial BS that you call "evidence".

Do you have a single witness who places Oswald in the domino room or anywhere else in the building at the time of the assassination?

Nobody, that we know of, saw Oswald anywhere at the time of the assassination. That also includes the 6th floor. So now what?

[John Mytton]

And the fantasy conspirators are going to trust the entire plot to frame Oswald to luck by allowing him to roam about the building during the assassination and not be noticed by anyone who could give him an alibi or even do the most likely thing that day to head out of the building in the company of dozens of coworkers, cameras etc.   It is laughable.

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

How did they even know Oswald was in the building at the time of the shooting? That he wasn't outside watching the motorcade? Hell, that he was even at work that day?

In order to frame a person they have to be "frameable." That is, they can't have an alibi that can be corroborated by other witnesses. And that the evidence framing them is plausible.

We see all sorts of limits on the ability to frame Oswald. The conspiracy believers don't see such limits. This all powerful "they" and "them" can do anything. Plant evidence, alter films, intimidate and coerce witnesses...there are no limits. It's this conspiracy mindset that we cannot reason with. We see it in all sorts of conspiracy beliefs that always involve these powerful elements that have unlimited power.

They had such unlimited power that the only way they could stop JFK from threatening their power - by ending the Cold War, leaving Vietnam, dismantling the national security state, making nice with Castro, whatever - was to shoot him in broad daylight in the middle of a street with hundreds of people watching, many with cameras. That's simply absurd. And, if you're going to do all of this anyway, you're going to plant witnesses in the crowd to claim they saw Oswald shoot JFK. Among other things.

[Walt Cakebread]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

 make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody


Psssst.... Johnny, Did anybody report seeing Lee Oswald during the period the parade was passing by the TSBD? 

Do you suppose that Lee didn't want to be seen ?.....   The play that he was playing the lead role in called for the STAGED attempt to shoot JFK....   Lee thought that he would flee to Cuba after the STAGED attempt and be welcomed by Castro.  His mission was to infiltrate Castro's island bastion and try to learn if the nuclear missiles had been removed from the island.

If he had been anywhere that someone could have seen him and reported that they had seen him during the the time when he was allegedly trying to shoot JFK, his neck would have been in Castro's noose.   Thus he remained out of sight there in the NE corner of the 1st floor...    I'm sure you can look at the plat of the first floor and see that Lee could easily have stepped out of sight in the restroom, or the shower if anybody approached. 



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Perhaps you would argue that there was no shower right off the Domino room, that Lee could have ducked into to remain out of sight to anybody passing by.   ( Not likely with everybody leaving the building to see JFK)  But the shower was there if he needed to duck out of sight....See page 148 of the WR.

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly, these Conspirators have apperently gone to all the trouble of having photos ready of Oswald holding the rifle, created  a massive document chain linking Oswald to the rifle, plant the rifle, etc etc and after all this effort make the most fundamental mistake of all time and  simply let Oswald do as he pleases all during lunch so he could be seen by anybody? And what is really odd is that these CT's actually believe that's precisely what happened.

JohnM

This sounds like; I know it's impossible, because I can't figure out or comprehend what the magician did or how he did it.

What if, the answer is far simpler than you think?