Oswald: No power lunch

[Martin Weidmann]

No, I simply asked and quite innocently because I'd really like to know, where is the evidence of your claim that the window could only open half way on the 22nd and you didn't answer the question?
I admitted that the photo isn't proof that the window being fully opened is how it was on the 22nd, but until you provide evidence to the contrary, the fully open window is a possibility. I am still waiting for you.

It doesn't matter how far the window could open, the only thing that matters is how far the window was open on 11/22/63 and this evidence photo shows you exactly how far it was open on that day;



there is no way that anybody sitting on the window sill, could stick his head out of the window to look straight down.

And since I can't date when the photo was taken, how can you assume it's a different window, it may well be the replaced window but it also may not be.

Well Martin, without a date the photo was taken, your assumption is a little premature and as I said you could well be right but I just asked for some evidence. I didn't claim a single thing.

As I understand it, the original window was removed six weeks after the assassination, by D.H. Byrd. The odds that your photo was taken after that are far greater than the photo being taken within those six weeks.

The photo of Sergeant Gerald Hill wasn't from the sniper's nest, it's a completely different window.



JohnM

True, looking at the arch, it seems to be one of the 6th floor windows in the center of the building. But the photo is useful nevertheless as it clearly shows just how far Hill was hanging out the window. That's how far Oswald also would have to be hanging out of the window to see who was right beneath him on the sidewalk. I seriously doubt that you even remotely believe that actually happened!

Perhaps you need to take a step back and rethink this thing. A man who wants to assassinate the President, suddenly decides to draw attention to himself, at least 5 minutes prior to the arrival of the motorcade, by sticking his head out of the window and looking straight down to see who was on the sidewalk. Really? That makes sense to you?

[Martin Weidmann]

On your alleged visit which you are reluctant to prove, if you were kneeling at the sniper's nest window or seated on the sniper's net window sill, then you may have a point but you weren't and you don't, sorry about that.

JohnM

if you were kneeling at the sniper's nest window or seated on the sniper's net window sill, then you may have a point but you weren't and you don't, sorry about that.

But you have a point about Oswald being able to see who was directly below him on the sidewalk, without you ever having been there and only looking at photos? Yeah right.....

What's your next bogus claim going to be? That, even if I did see something, I didn't see it on 11/22/63 and that's why it's not a valid point? 

[Alan Ford]

Golly, you Warren Gullibles really are scared of the draft Hosty report of the first interrogation, aren't you? 

Here it is again:



Now! Question! What was the first thing manual workers in the Depository usually did when they broke for lunch?

Question bumped for Mr Organ! 

[Alan Ford]

It would have been odd for anyone to be in the Domino Room after 12:15 with the President about to pass by.

Nope. As you have yourself noted, a guilty Mr Oswald could be confident only that most coworkers would have gone outside. And the domino room, where the manual workers usually ate their lunch, was about the riskiest place inside the first floor Mr Oswald could have chosen to pretend to have been at any point during the lunch break. And yet he chooses it.

Even Eddie Piper tried to get a look at the motorcade. Oswald knew just eating his lunch alone wasn't enough, that it needed some "confirmation" in the vague presence of Norman and Jarman.

Much more likely is that Captain Fritz, seeking to test his suspect's claim, asked him if he had seen anyone there. And-------NB--------Mr Oswald names two and only two coworkers. And it just so happens that there were two and only two coworkers anywhere near the domino room @12:26------------the two named by Mr Oswald. That's quite a lucky guess!

Actually the two regularly hung out together during breaks.

How did Mr Oswald know that Mr Lovelady and/or Mr Dougherty and/or Mr Jones and/or Mr Lewis and/or Mr Frazier and/or Mr Piper were already outside by this time? Could he see inside the front entrance way from his perch on the sixth floor? How did he know the domino room was left alone for the time he claimed he was in there before going outside to watch the P. Parade?

[Alan Ford]

Oswald wouldn't even admit he placed the package across the back seat. He said it was a lunch bag of some vague size that he kept with him in the front seat. So either Oswald is lying (now what would be his motivation?) or Frazier is,

If Mr Oswald said that, he was lying-------------and understandably so, given the circumstances he was in. He wanted to avoid admitting to having brought ANY large-ish package to work that day

Mr Organ, do you have an explanation for the following?



 

[Alan Ford]

Jack Dougherty said that he ate lunch in the Domino Room from 12:00 until 12:30 (or shortly before 12:30).
Jack then took a lift to the 6th floor or 5th floor to get stock.
Jack said that he saw LHO twice that day -- (1) entering the building at 8:00 am, & (2) on the 6th floor at about 11:00 am.

He later told Mr Gill Toff that he saw Mr Oswald in the second-floor lunchroom before the motorcade

Jack did not mention whether Jarman or Norman entered the Domino Room at about 12:10.
Jack did not mention whether Jarman or Norman walked past the Domino Room at about 12:26.

He had already gone back upstairs by this time-----------and Mr Oswald had come back down to the first floor (from the second floor) to eat lunch in the now vacated domino room

[Alan Ford]

Brennan also claimed to have seen somebody in the window well before the arrival of the motorcade.

Another reason, of course, why the Warren Gullibles desperately need to explain away Mr Oswald's citing/sighting of Messrs Norman & Jarman passing through ca. 12:26. They're not succeeding! 

[Alan Ford]

The information clearly given in this part of Agent Hosty's draft report of the first interrogation of Mr Oswald was too dangerous to the case against Mr Oswald, and so it was filtered out in the later official reports--------------- and only saw the light of day (to the horror of Warren Gullibles and lunchroom-fixated CTs everywhere) in 2019



In this one small paragraph we have laid out THE counter-narrative of Mr Oswald's movements. From it we can reasonably construct the sequence of events:

-Around noon Mr Oswald breaks for lunch
-He comes downstairs, where he is seen by Mr Shelley and Mr Piper
-He washes up and (perhaps) answers nature's call in the men's room
-He goes up to the second floor lunchroom to buy a coke with his lunch and sits down there for a few minutes (seen there or in the vicinity by Ms Carolyn Arnold, Mr Jack Dougherty and Ms Sarah Stanton)
-He returns to the first floor and has (or continues having) lunch standing around in the now empty domino room
-He periodically goes up to the front door of the building to check for any sign of the motorcade's arrival (he doesn't want to stand around with other employees on the steps beforehand but he does want to watch the P. Parade)
-Ca. 12:26 he notices Messrs Jarman & Norman re-enter the building via the Houston St. dock
-Perhaps taking the men's brisk movements as a sign that the motorcade's arrival is imminent, he goes outside to watch the P. Parade
-He is caught on film by both Mr Wiegman and Mr Darnell standing (with still unfinished lunch/coke) by the west wall of the Depository entrance
-Very shortly after the shooting he is asked by a motorcycle officer running up the steps where the stairs are
-Before he can answer, his boss Mr Truly comes up and offers to escort the officer (all seen by Mr Billy Lovelady and reported to the press that day by DPD)
-Shortly after this, a crewcut man flashing credentials comes running up and asks Mr Oswald where the nearest phone is: Mr Oswald jerks his thumb and says 'In there' (meaning on the shipping floor)

This is a straightforward sequence of events, but the efforts that went into covering it up were far from straightforward!