Oswald: No power lunch

[Martin Weidmann]

I've tried to follow along as Adams describes their route from the bottom of the stairs in the NW corner of the 1st floor to the main entrance in the SE corner.....But I can't understand her route.  In the book "The Girl on the stairs "(  page43)
 Belin--- When you got to the first floor did you immediately proceed to the point where you encountered Mr Shelley and Mr Lovelady?  Well, you showed me a diagram of the first floor that was a place which was south and somewhat east of the front part of the east elevator that you encountered Truly and Lovelady? 

Miss Adams---I saw them

Belin---I mean; you saw them?

Miss Adams   Yes.

Why would Belin change Shelley to Truly?    Do you think he was simply confused or was he atempting to confuse Vickie Adams?

The question that's never asked, yet IMO is the most important one, is; why is it even interesting to Belin to establish this alleged encounter between Adams, Shelley and Lovelady? I mean, in which universe, would it even be remotely significant to the investigation who Adams saw or did not see and where she saw them? Why does Belin focus on that particular point?

[Dan O'meara]

How long did they wait for the passenger elevator before deciding to use the stairs?    A minute?  Two minutes?   

The only evidence there is that they actually waited for the elevator is a statement by Sandra Styles in an interview, several years after the fact. In another interview Styles said - and I am paraphrasing - that if Adams said they left for the stairs straight after the last shot, than that's what probably happened. It shows that Styles is not a reliable witness. Neither Adams or Garner said anything about waiting for the elevator. IMO it didn't happen.

This is an excerpt from an interview with Dorothy Garner (by Barry Ernest):
Mrs. Garner said she immediately went to this area, following
"shortly after…right behind" Miss Adams and Miss Styles.   She
couldn't remember exactly why she went out there, other than to say,
"probably to get something."  Mrs. Garner said she did not actually
see "the girls" enter the stairway, though, arriving on the fourth-
floor landing seconds after.  When I asked how she knew they had gone
down, Mrs. Garner said, "I remember hearing them, after they started
down.  I remember the stairs were very noisy."

Garner makes it quite clear she followed "right behind" Adams and Styles. Because the girls were running they made the stairs before Garner came out of the office.
The point being, if Adams and Styles had waited even a few seconds for an elevator Garner would have seen them waiting.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is an excerpt from an interview with Dorothy Garner (by Barry Ernest):
Mrs. Garner said she immediately went to this area, following
"shortly after…right behind" Miss Adams and Miss Styles.   She
couldn't remember exactly why she went out there, other than to say,
"probably to get something."  Mrs. Garner said she did not actually
see "the girls" enter the stairway, though, arriving on the fourth-
floor landing seconds after.  When I asked how she knew they had gone
down, Mrs. Garner said, "I remember hearing them, after they started
down.  I remember the stairs were very noisy."

Garner makes it quite clear she followed "right behind" Adams and Styles. Because the girls were running they made the stairs before Garner came out of the office.
The point being, if Adams and Styles had waited even a few seconds for an elevator Garner would have seen them waiting.

Bingo.

Adams and Styles couldn't have waited even for a few seconds because the evidence shows they only had six to seven minutes to get down the stairs and walk three sides of the building, after being stopped by a police man, for Styles to enter the building again, through the front entrance, before the building was sealed off.

Adams saw Shelley and Lovelady alright, but it was at the railway yard and not on the first floor of the TSBD.

[Alan Ford]

I agree with Ford it's unlikely that Shelley, knowing Gloria Calvary, would bungle the details of this specific event; Lovelady has no info at all about her (or Baker/Truly) in his affidavit.

In the testimonies Shelley/Lovelady are in perfect sync RE Calvary reaching the stairs prior to trier moving to the "little island" where they watch Truly/Baker enter the building at the 3 minute mark -- WHAT?

How could Calvary possibly reach the front steps prior to Baker who allegedly was there 15-20 second post shots?!

Exactly, Mr Beck-----------thank you!

Now.............. The EFFECT of Mr Shelley's change of story is to keep him and Mr Lovelady together on those steps. Has Mr Shelley changed his story in order to help Mr Lovelady out in some way?

Alternatively............ Is his affidavit story (which invites corroboration from a personal friend, Ms Calvery) a lie whose purpose is to cover his own true movements/actions in that crucial first minute after the shots rang out?

[Martin Weidmann]

Exactly, Mr Beck-----------thank you! 

Too bad it's insignificant for the bigger picture.

[Dan O'meara]

You should know what it means when the details don't fit the big picture.

And what it means when the Commission does not call it witnesses who might resolve the conflict.

I doubt Calvary wore sneakers, so how did she manage to outrun Baker?

If Calvery ran back to the TSBD steps immediately after the third shot...
180 ft at 6mph is a shade over 20 seconds (just an estimation to give an idea of the times involved)

[Martin Weidmann]

You should know what it means when the details don't fit the big picture.

And what it means when the Commission does not call it witnesses who might resolve the conflict.

I doubt Calvary wore sneakers, so how did she manage to outrun Baker?

I doubt Calvary wore sneakers, so how did she manage to outrun Baker?

What does the answer to this question tell us about who killed Kennedy?

[Dan O'meara]

Because it shows that he's lying, which shows that he has something he wishes to hide. The question then becomes: what is it he wishes to hide?

Just a thought:
There is a glaring omission in the affidavits of both Shelley and Lovelady - that they walk down to the railroad tracks and enter the TSBD through a door on the west side of the building. In their affidavits both men give the very distinct impression that they re-enter the TSBD through the front door.