The grassy knoll gunmen on Nov 21st 1963

[Jon Banks]

The evidence is that 95% of earwitnesses say the shots came from only ONE direction because if indeed there was crossfire from both ends of Dealey Plaza then that would be bleedingly obvious and we know beyond all doubt that both Kennedy and Connally were struck at least once from behind, therefore all shots came from behind!
And as often stated having a shooter in front when your Patsy is behind makes Zero sense. Logically if the Conspirators wanted to make sure of a Kill they would have multiple shooters peppering the buildings behind but in front, Nahhhh!



JohnM

Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

I know that ear and eye witnesses aren’t the most reliable evidence but if dozens of people, including police officers, reported hearing shots fired from that direction, then it means something might’ve happened there.

Having a second shooter makes perfect sense as a plan B if one assassin fails to get the kill shot.

Most Americans didn’t see the Zapruder film or even know it existed until the 1970s.

[Bill Chapman]

Exactly!
It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll.
It would also sound more heroic for witnesses to say they were running towards where they thought the gunman was than to say they were running to a place they felt was more safe because they were scared. But that is just speculation on my part.

'It would make more sense that they were running in that direction to get cover, which would suggest the shots were coming anywhere but the knoll'.
> That implies that the cop would have to be running away as well haha. Seriously, I think they were caught up in the moment and thought the killer might had been at least spotted.. you know; the 'morbid curiosity' thing. Alternately, others might have realized that like a school of fish, safety-in-numbers is the way to go

[Jerry Freeman]

The problem is NOBODY ran immediately to the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" till much much later.

"the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" 
How were they supposed to know how to get there? Oh I know...high hurdle.
"till much much later"
Much much later as opposed to just much later or a little while later or the next day?
 
The Hughes film should clear that up a bit-------
 

[John Mytton]

Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

I know that ear and eye witnesses aren’t the most reliable evidence but if dozens of people, including police officers, reported hearing shots fired from that direction, then it means something might’ve happened there.

Having a second shooter makes perfect sense as a plan B if one assassin fails to get the kill shot.

Most Americans didn’t see the Zapruder film or even know it existed until the 1970s.

Why are you ignoring the significant impact of my post and deferring to your default position of appeal to authority? This has zero to do with recognizing gunfire per se, as we are discussing locating two loud audio sources from either end of Dealey Plaza and it doesn't take a trained brain to calculate the difference in the loudness and perceived direction of these sounds.
The majority of earwitnesses were between the Depository and the Grassy Knoll and the vast majority of these earwitnesses say the loud sounds emanated from either one end of Dealey Plaza or the other end, and there was only a tiny amount of earwitnesses who say that these loud sounds came from multiple directions.
Thus all the loud sounds came only from one direction and since we know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck from behind, it can only follow that ALL the shots came from behind, there can be no other conclusion.
You yourself state that "Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area." and only "Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD", meaning that those Police Officers who thought they heard ALL the shots from the Grassy Knoll area by definition must be wrong because we know beyond all doubt that both men were struck from behind.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

"the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" 
How were they supposed to know how to get there? Oh I know...high hurdle.
"till much much later"
Much much later as opposed to just much later or a little while later or the next day?
 
The Hughes film should clear that up a bit-------
 

Thanks Jerry, your video did clear up a lot of things but not how you wanted, in the Zapruder Film there was bugger all people on the grassy area between Elm and Main street and your video shows a plethora of people who were running from a position who would have next to no chance of knowing the origin of the shots, and these people and others like them who also had little idea of where the shots came from, are the ones we later see running up the Knoll steps and those that are in the Railway yard. Thanks again!



Btw your attempt at comedy of "high hurdling" the fence doesn't make sense because if these concerned citizens were in fact intent on locating where they thought the sniper was, they could easily peek over the fence but as seen in the earliest photos, these witnesses totally ignored the the fence and ran straight on by! Another hit and miss.



JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

Police officers recognize gunfire more than the average civilian..

   Of course

Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area.

    Perhaps they did 

  Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD.

    And perhaps they did 
 

Why are you ignoring the significant impact of my post and deferring to your default position of appeal to authority? 

Oh boo hoo it probably needs to be ignored.

Thus all the loud sounds came only from one direction and since we know that both Kennedy and Connally were struck from behind, it can only follow that ALL the shots came from behind, there can be no other conclusion.

You made a broad assumption and left out other possibilities.

You yourself state that "Over a dozen of them said they heard shots from the Grassy Knoll area."[several people did] and only "Some said they heard shots from both the Knoll and TSBD", meaning that those Police Officers who thought they heard ALL the shots from the Grassy Knoll area by definition must be wrong because we know beyond all doubt that both men were struck from behind.

Speculation.. yes, both men were struck from behind. But that does not mean that all shots were fired from the 6th floor [even though shell casings were left to roll around. It also does not mean that there were positively no shots fired from the front. It just doesn't fit everybody's bedtime story.   

Thanks Jerry, your video did clear up a lot of things but not how you wanted, in the Zapruder Film there was bugger all people on the grassy area between Elm and Main street and your video shows a plethora of people who were running from a position who would have next to no chance of knowing the origin of the shots

So you say. What does bugger all people mean?
 
 

they could easily peek over the fence but as seen in the earliest photos, these witnesses totally ignored the the fence and ran straight on by! 

Looking for a way around it I would figure.
But you said---The problem is NOBODY ran immediately to the classic position of "behind the fence on the Knoll" till much much later.---
What is you idea of the classic position? and how long is much much ...as you have failed to reply.

[John Mytton]

What does bugger all people mean?
 

"bugger all" noun
Definition of bugger all
slang, British
: NOTHING
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bugger%20all

JohnM

[Jerry Freeman]

"bugger all" ...slang, British
: NOTHING

I guess I could have looked that one up. I thought it was the mis-spelling of a piece of dried nasal mucus.