MAGA rioter's militia friend tells jury he brought zip ties with him to CapitolAccused MAGA rioter Guy Reffitt faced more damning testimony on Friday, this time from a former member of the Texas Three Percenters militia.
NBC News reports that former Three Percenter Rocky Hardie told the jury that Reffitt brought a handgun and some zip ties with him as he stormed the United States Capitol building on January 6, 2021.
According to BuzzFeed News reporter Zoe Tillman, Hardie said that he asked Reffitt why he needed the zip ties, and Reffitt replied that he was bringing them along in case they needed to "detain" someone at the Capitol.
Hardie also acknowledged that he and Reffitt "joked" about grabbing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and dragging her by her feet down the steps of the Capitol.
Prosecutors also revealed during Friday's testimony that Reffitt sent around a series of panicked text messages after he learned law enforcement officers were interviewing members of the Texas Three Percenters in the days after the Capitol riots.
"This is not a drill," Reffitt wrote to other Three Percenters on January 10th, 2021. "Be prepared. The sh*t is now hitting the fan. Start purge of all previous conversations."
That last line is key to the prosecutors' case that Reffitt tried to obstruct justice, as it amounts to soliciting for the destruction of evidence.
Zoe Tillman: Hardie talks about prep on Jan. 6 — he says Reffitt gave him zip ties, the "real heavy ones" that you use as handcuffs. Hardie says he asked Reffitt what those were for, Reffitt said it was in case they had to detain anybody or something to that effect, Reffitt carried some too
Hardie says they went to the car and each reassembled their rifles. Why? We were being prepared, what if something bad happened and we don't have time to put them back together, we were concerned for our safety, safety of people in general, brings up antifa threat again
Hardie says he got his handgun from the case, loaded it, put it in his shoulder holster and put a few additional magazines in the holster. Asked about Reffitt's handgun, Hardie says didn't see specifically, but Reffitt would have had it on his hip. Assembled ARs stayed in the car
Hardie says they went to the Ellipse area, he listened to Trump's speech "off and on," couldn't hear well, was more focused on the crowd. After the speech, the crowd moved "like a herd of cattle," someone called for medical help & Reffitt volunteered, and Hardie lost track of him
Hardie says they remained in radio contact, but he didn't see Reffitt until later in the day back at the hotel. Hardie described going to the Capitol, seeing people from a distance climbing up scaffolding, "looked like spiders" crawling up walls, saw ppl break through barricade
Hardie says Reffitt was in pain back at the hotel from being shot at/sprayed, Reffitt described his encounter with USCP Officer Kerkhoff, that Reffitt told Hardie he said, lady I don’t want to hurt you, but every time you shoot me I'm going to go forward
Hardie says Reffitt seemed proud, that Hardie was proud too that he'd been there, that he was "pretty impressed" by what Reffitt had described, that he felt Reffitt had more courage than he did, he wasn’t going to go up there. He recalls Reffitt's handgun in the room
Hardie says he went back to Reffitt's house to get his car, met Reffitt's wife/son/daughter (confirming narrative of Jackson Reffitt being home when they arrived back), confirms the participants on the Zoom call where Reffitt talked about trip to DC
1/10/21, Hardie confirms Reffitt sent a message via Telegram about state leader of TTP getting taken in for questioning by law enforcement. AUSA asks Hardie what was going through his mind. Reply: "Uh oh." Reffitt sends another message, "Start purge of all previous conversations"
Reffitt's lawyer William Welch is up for cross ex, has Hardie confirm that his immunity agreement doesn't mean he can't be charged, but that even though he's admitted to going on restricted grounds and carrying a firearm at the time, that he has not been charged to datehttps://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1499788184095531008Armed Jan. 6 rioter had zip ties during Capitol attack, friend testifies at trialRocky Hardie testified that he and Guy Reffitt drove to D.C. from Texas armed with firearms and both believed the 2020 election was stolen.WASHINGTON — Guy Reffitt was armed with a handgun and zip ties when he tried to storm the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, a friend and fellow member of a right-wing group testified at the first Capitol riot trial on Friday.
Rocky Hardie, a former member of the Texas Three Percenters, testified that he and Reffitt traveled to D.C. from Texas in Reffitt’s Chevy Equinox, that was loaded up with their rifles, their handguns, and ammo.
Jurors previously heard testimony from Reffitt's son Jackson Reffitt, who tipped off the FBI about his father before Jan. 6, and then recorded his dad bragging about his participation in the riot. The jury is expected to begin deliberating next week.
Hardie testified that they stopped in Virginia to take their weapons apart before they traveled to the hotel where they stayed in the Georgetown section of Washington, D.C.
Hardie described preparing for the events of the day on the morning of Jan. 6, describing how they went to Reffitt's car and reassembled their rifles (which he said they left in the vehicle) and strapped their handguns to their bodies before they went to former President Donald Trump's rally that preceded the Capitol attack.
Hardie said he and Reffitt were both aware of the strict gun laws in D.C., and that they'd even researched reciprocity laws in the states that they traveled through to see whether their concealed carry permits were valid. But they ultimately made the decision that it was worth being armed on Jan. 6 even if it was against the law.
"I think we used the phrase ‘It’s better to be tried by a jury of twelve than carried by six,’” Hardie testified. They decided they were "wiling to take that risk" of being charged for unlawfully carrying weapons, Hardie testified.
Hardie testified as part of an agreement with the federal government that bans prosecutors from using his testimony in the Reffitt case to build a case against him. The agreement does not mean that Hardie himself will not face charges in connection with Jan. 6.
Reffitt and Hardie, the latter testified, both believed Trump's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen, and joked about dragging House Speaker Nancy Pelosi down the stairs of the U.S. Capitol.
Hardie said that believed he and Reffitt were joking around, and that he didn't actually think that Reffitt would follow through. Hardie also testified that he'd assumed, from what he saw on television, that the Capitol would be very secure, and that it would be impossible for rioters to actually get near the building without being shot.
On Jan. 6, Reffitt and Hardie communicated with a radio. They were separated at the Capitol, he said, but Reffitt communicated what he was going to try to do.
"At some point he said he was trying to go inside the building," Hardie said.
Hardie, who said he himself still believes that the election was stolen, said he was initially proud of his participation in the events of Jan. 6.
“I felt like it was historically significant. I actually showed up,” Hardie said. “I wasn’t ashamed.”
Hardie said he was also impressed by Reffitt's actions.
“I felt like he had more courage than I did,” Hardie testified. “I wasn’t going to go up there.”
Hardie testified that he decided to leave the Texas Three Percenters after he got a visit from the FBI. The bureau also raided his home and his business, Hardie testified.
Reffitt's attorney has argued that his client exaggerates and rants, and that the government's case is based on “bragging and a lot of hype."
During a cross examination on Friday, Reffitt attorney William Welch asked Hardie about being visited by the FBI a few weeks after Jan. 6. Hardie testified that he declined to let the FBI inside his home, but answered limited questions outside. The FBI soon showed up with search warrants for his home and business.
Welch pressed Hardie on his immunity agreement, and pointed out that, as of the moment, he had not been charged for his actions on Jan. 6.
"You still haven't been charged with a crime, correct?" Welch asked, mentioning Hardie's business travels to Mexico, Florida, and an upcoming trip to Thailand. Hardie testified that it benefited him to tell the truth in an attempt to avoid being charged.
"Somebody in the government is going to decide, did I lie or did I not lie," Hardie testified.
"Mr. Reffitt brags, doesn't he?" Welch asked. "Mr. Reffitt uses hyperbole, doesn't he?" Hardie agreed that Reffitt bragged and exaggerated.
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