U.S. Politics

[John Iacoletti]

Speaking of "numbskulls who espouse conspiracy theories so absurd and contrary to reality that rational people are left aghast," how long have you been a tinfoil-hat JFK assassination conspiracy theorist?

On the contrary.  "Richard" espouses lone-nut theories so absurd and contrary to reality that rational people are left aghast.

[Tom Mahon]

"Richard" espouses lone-nut theories so absurd and contrary to reality that rational people are left aghast.

If that's the case, the JFKA is the only thing he gets right.

[Richard Smith]

I have read that under normal circumstances two different controllers (and two different radio frequencies) were used. One to control helicopters and another to control airplanes. This seems to me to make things even more dangerous because the helicopters would not be able to hear what is happening with the plane traffic and vice versa. Therefore I think the resulting ignorance should be considered a prime factor in this accident.

These problems are easily solved.  Don't allow a helicopter to fly across the flight path of a major airport!  There are so many planes taking off and landing at that airport that it is easy to become confused.  If you watch the video of the collision, there is another plane ascending just above the one that was hit.  Flying a helicopter there is like trying to run across the racetrack during the Daytona 500. And doing that at night with night vision goggles on!  Good grief.  Eventually something bad is going to happen.

[Zeon Mason]

Well Richard agrees with me ( maybe?)that there was conspiracy of the media and the DOJ against Trump. So there’s still some hope of convincing him ( maybe) that there are valid some reasons to suspect conspiracy against JFK too.

After all there is similarity with JFK and Trump
Advocating for country 1st and both not so keen to get the country in a war so having similar enemy of the deep state and the MIC, and FBI and CIA too.

[Richard Smith]

Well Richard agrees with me ( maybe?)that there was conspiracy of the media and the DOJ against Trump. So there’s still some hope of convincing him ( maybe) that there are valid some reasons to suspect conspiracy against JFK too.

After all there is similarity with JFK and Trump
Advocating for country 1st and both not so keen to get the country in a war so having similar enemy of the deep state and the MIC, and FBI and CIA too.

Most of the establishment was working with JFK not against him.  He was a liberal icon.  I'm not sure there was necessarily any organized "conspiracy" against Trump. There didn't have to be.  The media and DOJ were out to get him but that was mostly their radicalized ideology playing out.  They knowingly perpetuated hoaxes and lies.  The ends justifying any means in their opinion.  They often took their cues from one another as you would see the same buzz word of the day used in every media story, but they all had TDS and were voluntarily doing everything possible to stop him. I'm not sure anyone was necessarily orchestrating this so much as they shared a common radicalized goal - to stay in power and stop Trump at all costs.  That has been the driving force.  It did have something similar to the effect of a psych-op operation on those most deranged with Trump hatred.  No other way to explain their level of anger and hatred toward him.  Those people are often unhinged.   You can see many examples of that on this thread dating back to Rick Plant who posted tens of thousands of long anti-Trump rants.

[Royell Storing]

Most of the establishment was working with JFK not against him.  He was a liberal icon.  I'm not sure there was necessarily any organized "conspiracy" against Trump. There didn't have to be.  The media and DOJ were out to get him but that was mostly their radicalized ideology playing out.  They knowingly perpetuated hoaxes and lies.  The ends justifying any means in their opinion.  They often took their cues from one another as you would see the same buzz word of the day used in every media story, but they all had TDS and were voluntarily doing everything possible to stop him. I'm not sure anyone was necessarily orchestrating this so much as they shared a common radicalized goal - to stay in power and stop Trump at all costs.  That has been the driving force.  It did have something similar to the effect of a psych-op operation on those most deranged with Trump hatred.  No other way to explain their level of anger and hatred toward him.  Those people are often unhinged.   You can see many examples of that on this thread dating back to Rick Plant who posted tens of thousands of long anti-Trump rants.

         "Not sure there was necessarily any organized conspiracy against Trump"? Seriously? What do you consider the Strozk, Page, McCabe email trail? How about the FISA warrants that were fraudulently obtained inside that "Star Chamber" where a transcript of the proceedings are Not kept? The Trump Transition Team was being surveilled before they walked in the front door of the White House. No conspiracy against Trump? That's a head shaker.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Most of the establishment was working with JFK not against him.  He was a liberal icon.  I'm not sure there was necessarily any organized "conspiracy" against Trump. There didn't have to be.  The media and DOJ were out to get him but that was mostly their radicalized ideology playing out.  They knowingly perpetuated hoaxes and lies.  The ends justifying any means in their opinion.  They often took their cues from one another as you would see the same buzz word of the day used in every media story, but they all had TDS and were voluntarily doing everything possible to stop him. I'm not sure anyone was necessarily orchestrating this so much as they shared a common radicalized goal - to stay in power and stop Trump at all costs.  That has been the driving force.  It did have something similar to the effect of a psych-op operation on those most deranged with Trump hatred.  No other way to explain their level of anger and hatred toward him.  Those people are often unhinged.   You can see many examples of that on this thread dating back to Rick Plant who posted tens of thousands of long anti-Trump rants.

They - a small group - used lawfare against Trump; abused/misused their power. That's not a "deep state". It's a part of the national security/administrative state. They didn't get together to assassinate him and then frame another person and then have future generations cover it all up. Which is a preposterous argument. Any comparison between how they tried to get Trump (they did try but they also thought he was guility) and what is alleged to have happened to JFK falls apart on the slightest examination.

I've often asked the conspiracists why they didn't use "lawfare" against JFK? That is leak damaging information about him. Supposedly the CIA controlled the media through Operation Mockingbird. So why not leak impeachable information? Instead of doing that they decided to murder him and then hope future generations would cover for them? Were they idiots?

[Richard Smith]

They - a small group - used lawfare against Trump; abused/misused their power. That's not a "deep state". It's a part of the national security/administrative state. They didn't get together to assassinate him and then frame another person and then have future generations cover it all up. Which is a preposterous argument. Any comparison between how they tried to get Trump (they did try but they also thought he was guility) and what is alleged to have happened to JFK falls apart on the slightest examination.

I've often asked the conspiracists why they didn't use "lawfare" against JFK? That is leak damaging information about him. Supposedly the CIA controlled the media through Operation Mockingbird. So why not leak impeachable information? Instead of doing that they decided to murder him and then hope future generations would cover for them? Were they idiots?

Yes, I agree entirely.  An assassination conspiracy against JFK would have been an extreme measure when much simpler remedies were available to force him to step down.  And in that time, J. Edgar Hoover had the means and power to facilitate something along those lines.  The Trump situation involves establishment figures trying to protect power at all costs from outsiders.  They did not sit down together in a room to conspire.  Their hatred and fanatical desire to retain power had them all working for a common goal - stop Trump at any cost.   I don't necessarily consider that to be a conspiracy.  Just a group of influential people who are radicalized by their own common self-interest and endless propaganda.  Some of these people are dangerously unhinged.