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« Reply #2328 on: March 01, 2025, 01:55:10 PM »
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How is that any different today than over the last three years?  Trump has to deal in reality.   The reality is that the Russians have a larger military and resources than Ukraine.  There is no military solution to this conflict for Ukraine.  Unless the US bankrolls another endless war for years or decades it will go on and on for no purpose.  Better to cut a deal, give Russia a few meaningless places on the map, and end the killing and spending.  Putin won't be in power forever.  When he is gone, there will be an opportunity for Ukraine and Russia to revisit this situation.

Russia is close to collapse, and Putin knows it.

He and The Traitorous Orange Dude need each other in order to stay in power.
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« Reply #2329 on: March 01, 2025, 02:18:39 PM »

How is that any different today than over the last three years? 

Trump sucked up to Putin in front of the world press.

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« Reply #2330 on: March 01, 2025, 02:25:17 PM »
Trump sucked up to Putin in front of the world press.

Spot on, Michael.

The Russians are jumping for joy, now.

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« Reply #2331 on: March 01, 2025, 03:36:41 PM »

  Who cares if, "Russians are jumping for joy". Who cares if, "Trump sucked up to Putin in front of the world Press". (1) Broker a Peace Deal, (2) End the deaths, and (3) Stop pouring American $$ down a bottomless drain. This is why you guys are Now in the Minority. You Fail to understand what is truly Important. 

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« Reply #2332 on: March 01, 2025, 03:43:23 PM »
  Who cares if, "Russians are jumping for joy". Who cares if, "Trump sucked up to Putin in front of the world Press". (1) Broker a Peace Deal, (2) End the deaths, and (3) Stop pouring American $$ down a bottomless drain. This is why you guys are Now in the Minority. You Fail to understand what is truly Important.

I suspect that all you're concerned about is preventing your precious tax dollars going towards Ukraine's defense.

If Zelensky had signed the deal yesterday, what would prevent Putin from continuing the war or re-invading Ukraine on some trumped-up (pardon the pun) pretext six months from now?

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« Reply #2333 on: March 01, 2025, 03:48:13 PM »
This is why you guys are Now in the Minority.

I don't know what this means. what minority? - Look at what the rest of the world is saying.

- Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk: “Dear Zelensky, dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone.”

- President of Lithuania Gitanas Nausea: “Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.”

- Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen: “Dear Zelensky, Denmark proudly stands with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.”

- French President Emmanual Macron: “There is an aggressor: Russia. There is a people being aggressed: Ukraine. We were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago and to continue doing so. We, that’s the Americans, the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese, and many others... Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”

- President of Moldova Maia Sandu: “The truth is simple. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine defends its freedom—and ours. We stand with Ukraine.”

- Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson: “Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini!”

- Incoming German Chancellor Friedrich Mer: “Dear Zelenskyy, we stand with Ukraine in good and in testing times. We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war.
 
- Crotia’s Prime Minister Andrej Plenković: “Croatia knows from its own experience that only a just peace can last. The Croatian Government stands firm in its belief that Ukraine needs such a peace - a peace that means sovereignty, territorial integrity, and a secure Europe.”

- Finland’s Prime Minister Petteri Orpo: “Finland and the Finnish people stand firmly with Ukraine. We will continue our unwavering support and work towards a just and lasting peace.”

- Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal: “We stand united with Zelenskyy and Ukraine in our fight for freedom. Always. Because it is right, not easy.”

- Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister Simon Harris: “Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.“

- Latvia’s President Edgars Rinkevics: “Ukraine is a victim of the Russian aggression. It fights the war with the help from many friends and partners. We need to spare no effort for just and lasting peace. Latvia stands with Ukraine”

- Prime Minister of the Netherlands Dick Schoof: ”The Netherlands supports Ukraine as firmly as ever. Now more than ever. We want a lasting peace and an end to the war of aggression started by Russia. For Ukraine and its people, and for Europe.”

- Prime Minister of Luxembourg Luc Friedsen: “Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order.
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« Reply #2334 on: March 01, 2025, 04:34:48 PM »
I suspect that all you're concerned about is preventing your precious tax dollars going towards Ukraine's defense.

If Zelensky had signed the deal yesterday, what would prevent Putin from continuing the war or re-invading Ukraine on some trumped-up (pardon the pun) pretext six months from now?

  The Not trusting Putin line of thought is never gonna change. So what is Zelenskyy gonna do? Not try and negotiate a cease fire/peace? If this is true, why was Zelenskyy in DC yesterday to begin with?  Zelenskyy has no choice. He's running outta bodies to fight the war for him. He's now down to demanding that 60+ yr old men fight his war at this point. It's like the last days of Japan during WW2. Old Men, Women, and Children were front line defense fighters of the Homeland. Same with Ukraine. Zelenskyy can drag it out and just stack up the bodies, but the outcome has been decided. The only question is when.

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« Reply #2335 on: March 01, 2025, 04:46:24 PM »
  The Not trusting Putin line of thought is never gonna change. So what is Zelenskyy gonna do? Not try and negotiate a cease fire/peace? If this is true, why was Zelenskyy in DC yesterday to begin with?  Zelenskyy has no choice. He's running outta bodies to fight the war for him. He's now down to demanding that 60+ yr old men fight his war at this point. It's like the last days of Japan during WW2. Old Men, Women, and Children were front line defense fighters of the Homeland. Same with Ukraine. Zelenskyy can drag it out and just stack up the bodies, but the outcome has been decided. The only question is when.

Zelinskyy is dragging out nothing. Russia go home and it's over.

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« Reply #2335 on: March 01, 2025, 04:46:24 PM »