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Offline Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #90 on: December 19, 2021, 06:40:44 PM »
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 In the world today, while the limousine was on its way to Parkland between Dealey Plaza and Parkland Hospital, unfortunately, Mrs. Kennedy would be considered as having "tampered with evidence" because she altered the damage to the head the moment she put the piece of skull she said she saw "detach itself" back into place, and "tried to keep his brains in" as she  " kept trying to hold the top of his head down".  This is the flap of inside-out skull we can clearly see in the Zapruder film as well as two publicly released photos taken during the autopsy.    The  two pictures that show the skull flap hanging over the temple area are the back of the head photos, and the photograph of the measuring the distance from the neck to the back wound--and most copies of the back wound are cropped and do not show this.  At any rate...Mrs. Kennedy closed the hole in the head up as much as she could by putting the flap back into place since it was still connected to the scalp, so, when the president was taken into the ER and the doctors saw only part of the hole in the head--this is where the discrepancy comes from.  Bill and Gayle Newman described what they saw from 10 feet away.  The large flap of skull hanging over the temple was visible to them, and Mrs. Newman describes this during her interview with WFAA's Jay Watson.  Marilyn Sitzman said the damage "was between the eye and the ear", so she no doubt saw the inside-out flap of skull, mistaking it as a wound..  We see the top of Kennedy's head fly off  in the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore films.  Parts of the skull landed in the grass several yards ahead of where the limousine was positioned at the time of the fatal shot.  The Harper fragment, found by Billy Harper, and a fragment found by David Burris, which was turned over to Detective R.L. Studebaker in Dallas on the day of the assassination.  Burris marked on a photograph of the infield grass where he found the skull fragment.  This fragment was flown to Washington from Dallas per document.   So, I believe that due to the loose skull  piece hanging over the temple being put back into place by Mrs. Kennedy, this is the major part of the reason for the discrepancy over the location of--and damage of the head wound.  
 
  Where people like Paul O'Conner are concerned...I saw Vincent Bugliosi question Paul O'Conner about his claim that there was no brain being in the head--or  very little of it-- and I find it difficult to believe such a thing happened when there are photographs vividly showing the brain hanging out of the massive hole in top of the head.  And I thought Vince did a good job at proving Paul O'Conner's story is impossible.

  It seems to me that conspiracy believers want to disregard people like the Newman's, Zapruder and Sitzman, and most importantly, Mrs. Kennedy.  She flat-out says the top of his head was gone and that she was holding his brains in her hands. She had the first and best view of JFK's head over anyone else that day. 

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« Reply #91 on: December 19, 2021, 06:47:10 PM »
   Hi Jerry,   You may want to add Mrs. Kennedy's name when mentioning the Clark Panel and HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel.   No, she's not a pathologist, but what she told Theodore White during his interview with her just 7 days after the assassination about the condition of JFK's head--which is quite graphic and quite reliable--she describes a much different head wound location than the CT crowd claims--and she repeated it twice not only does she say where the head wound was, she also described how and where on the head she was trying to keep ["His] brains in".     

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« Reply #92 on: December 19, 2021, 06:54:34 PM »

 
 In the world today, while the limousine was on its way to Parkland between Dealey Plaza and Parkland Hospital, unfortunately, Mrs. Kennedy would be considered as having "tampered with evidence" because she altered the damage to the head the moment she put the piece of skull she said she saw "detach itself" back into place, and "tried to keep his brains in" as she  " kept trying to hold the top of his head down".  This is the flap of inside-out skull we can clearly see in the Zapruder film as well as two publicly released photos taken during the autopsy.    The  two pictures that show the skull flap hanging over the temple area are the back of the head photos, and the photograph of the measuring the distance from the neck to the back wound--and most copies of the back wound are cropped and do not show this.  At any rate...Mrs. Kennedy closed the hole in the head up as much as she could by putting the flap back into place since it was still connected to the scalp, so, when the president was taken into the ER and the doctors saw only part of the hole in the head--this is where the discrepancy comes from.  Bill and Gayle Newman described what they saw from 10 feet away.  The large flap of skull hanging over the temple was visible to them, and Mrs. Newman describes this during her interview with WFAA's Jay Watson.  Marilyn Sitzman said the damage "was between the eye and the ear", so she no doubt saw the inside-out flap of skull, mistaking it as a wound..  We see the top of Kennedy's head fly off  in the Zapruder, Nix and Muchmore films.  Parts of the skull landed in the grass several yards ahead of where the limousine was positioned at the time of the fatal shot.  The Harper fragment, found by Billy Harper, and a fragment found by David Burris, which was turned over to Detective R.L. Studebaker in Dallas on the day of the assassination.  Burris marked on a photograph of the infield grass where he found the skull fragment.  This fragment was flown to Washington from Dallas per document.   So, I believe that due to the loose skull  piece hanging over the temple being put back into place by Mrs. Kennedy, this is the major part of the reason for the discrepancy over the location of--and damage of the head wound. 
 
  Where people like Paul O'Conner are concerned...I saw Vincent Bugliosi question Paul O'Conner about his claim that there was no brain being in the head--or  very little of it-- and I find it difficult to believe such a thing happened when there are photographs vividly showing the brain hanging out of the massive hole in top of the head.  And I thought Vince did a good job at proving Paul O'Conner's story is impossible.

  It seems to me that conspiracy believers want to disregard people like the Newman's, Zapruder and Sitzman, and most importantly, Mrs. Kennedy.  She flat-out says the top of his head was gone and that she was holding his brains in her hands. She had the first and best view of JFK's head over anyone else that day.

Where people like Paul O'Conner are concerned...I saw Vincent Bugliosi question Paul O'Conner about his claim that there was no brain being in the head--or  very little of it-- and I find it difficult to believe such a thing happened when there are photographs vividly showing the brain hanging out of the massive hole in top of the head.  And I thought Vince did a good job at proving Paul O'Conner's story is impossible.

First of all, we can argue about what O'Connor meant when he said there was no brain in the head. If you think that he was saying there was no brain at all, I would agree that would be unlikely as it seems impossible for all brain matter to have been blasted out. However, if you think that what O'Connor really meant was that there was no complete brain to be removed, then, I believe, you would be closer to the truth. We know for a fact that the brain could not have been intact, as there was brain matter all over the limo and the police officers driving behind the limo were also covered in it. To me it seems not unreasonable to conclude that O'Connor only saw remnants of the brain and concluded that there was no sufficiently intact brain that could be removed.

Sadly, credible witnesses are not always good on the stand. The video you refer to shows O'Connor being extremely nervous, making him an easy prey for an experienced lawyer like Bugliosi. The fact remains that he told the same story on the stand as he did to the HSCA. And that's not all, his testimony is supported by others, like Tom Robinson, who was involved in the embalming of the body, which included filling up the hole in the head.

If you want to dismiss the testimony of O'Connor and others, you need at least try to explain what these men had to gain by lying so many years after the fact. O'Connor respected the order to remain silent for 14 years before he ever told his story and Tom Robinson never wanted to be in the limelight. So what motivated these men to lie?
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Last Second in Dallas
« Reply #93 on: December 19, 2021, 08:26:30 PM »
Sadly, credible witnesses are not always good on the stand. The video you refer to shows O'Connor being extremely nervous, making him an easy prey for an experienced lawyer like Bugliosi. The fact remains that he told the same story on the stand as he did to the HSCA. And that's not all, his testimony is supported by others, like Tom Robinson, who was involved in the embalming of the body, which included filling up the hole in the head.

Hadn't the brain been removed when the funeral people arrived?

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« Reply #94 on: December 19, 2021, 09:35:48 PM »
Hadn't the brain been removed when the funeral people arrived?

Good question. One would indeed expect that to be the case, but in this case it seems to me that O'Connor never performed the procedure to remove the top of the skull. 

I am speculating, but there are two reasons for that assumptions. The first one is that in order to remove the top of the cranial vault the scalp has to be cut and pulled forward. Then the skull has to be opened up with a vibrating saw. Given the state of the skull, as seen on some photographs and X-rays, I would argue that if the scalp was cut and the top of the skull was removed a large part of that skull would fall apart. When Paul O'Connor was asked, at the mock trial, if he had opened the brain he said, at about 6.35; "we didn't have to"



And secondly, there is a video in which Tom Robinson explains in detail what the hole was like that the embalmers had to work on.

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Re: Last Second in Dallas
« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2021, 09:52:17 PM »
Good question. One would indeed expect that to be the case, but in this case it seems to me that O'Connor never performed the procedure to remove the top of the skull. 

I am speculating, but there are two reasons for that assumptions. The first one is that in order to remove the top of the cranial vault the scalp has to be cut and pulled forward. Then the skull has to be opened up with a vibrating saw. Given the state of the skull, as seen on some photographs and X-rays, I would argue that if the scalp was cut and the top of the skull was removed a large part of that skull would fall apart. When Paul O'Connor was asked, at the mock trial, if he had opened the brain he said, at about 6.35; "we didn't have to"



And secondly, there is a video in which Tom Robinson explains in detail what the hole was like that the embalmers had to work on.

Here's the section of the 'Last Second In Dallas' doc that discusses the headshot(s). It sounds like Kennedy lost a bunch of brain matter before he reached Parkland hospital. The Blood spatter analysis seems consistent with the trajectory of two different shots to Kennedy's head. (starts at around the 1hr and 10 minutes point).


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