Allen Dulles

[Jerry Freeman]

JFK fired CIA Director Allen Dulles.
So what was Dulles doing on a commission to investigate his estranged boss's death?
Let me guess  ...to make sure that his legacy and that of his precious agency remain intact?
LBJ had skeletons in his closet that couldn't bear revealing...was there a mutual exaction in that brew?

[Jerry Freeman]

Big bucks and the Rockefellers----No motive like money

Review of Greg Poulgrain’s JFK vs Allen Dulles: Battleground Indonesia
Written by Michael Le Flem

Lauding its brilliant dramatic conceit along with copious and fresh source material and alluring insights, Michael LeFlem reviews Dr. Greg Poulgrain’s JFK vs Allen Dulles: Battleground Indonesia as one of the best reads in its genre.

“Dulles is a legendary figure, and it’s hard to operate with legendary figures.”

-President Kennedy

Let us state the preconditions for the drama that historian Greg Poulgrain is going to compose in his stellar volume, JFK vs Allen Dulles: Battleground Indonesia. Sukarno led Indonesia to independence against both the Dutch and the Japanese. After World War II, he became the first leader of an independent Indonesia. He then became one of the foremost spokesmen for the Non-Aligned Movement, that is, the Third World leaders who did not wish to get involved in American/Russian Cold War struggles but wished to navigate their own foreign policy choices free of those entanglements. Some of his partners in this enterprise were Nehru of India and Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. In fact, the first meeting of this group was in Bandung, Indonesia in 1955.

At the time Sukarno was leading this movement, the two men supervising American foreign policy were the Dulles brothers. John Foster as Secretary of State and Allen as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. To put it mildly, they did not appreciate the attempts at neutralism in the Third World. (Robert Rakove, Kennedy, Johnson and the Nonaligned World, pp. 10–11) They believed that there was no such thing as neutrality in what they cast as a rigid, dogmatic Cold War world outlook.

Partly due to this, the CIA tried to overthrow Sukarno in 1958. At that time, this was perhaps the largest Agency operation ever. Ostensibly, it was not successful. And American participation in the attempt was exposed by the shooting down of CIA pilot Allen Pope. To put it gently, Sukarno did not appreciate what the Dulles brothers had tried to do. He also did not like the fact that the United States would not help him in his quest to attain West Irian from the Dutch. Sukarno thought that territory was entitled to Indonesia and should have been turned over at independence.

Thus, another layer of intrigue is placed over the situation. As Poulgrain notes, Allen Dulles and the Dutch knew something about West Irian that Sukarno did not. In 1936, there had been a joint Dutch/American mountain expedition to the highest point in West Irian, this included Dutch geologist Jean Jaques Dozy. Dozy’s report was discovered in 1960 by Forbes Wilson of Freeport Sulphur. Wilson sponsored a second expedition. Both groups found out that there were immense deposits of gold, silver, and copper in the Carstensz Pyramid, in a place called the Ertsberg. Two miles away, in an alpine meadow, was another huge deposit in an area called the Grasberg. The combined value of the mineral resources in those two places staggered the imagination. To make just one statement about it: This was the largest repository of gold in the world at that time. And it is why the Dutch did not wish to give up the area. Allen Dulles was trying to find a way to let American interests exploit both the Ertsberg and the Grasberg.

Besides Sukarno and Allen Dulles, the third major character involved in Poulgrain’s epic tragedy is John F. Kennedy, both as a senator and as president. In 1957, Kennedy made a speech on the floor of the Senate which startled the Dulles brothers, President Dwight Eisenhower, and Vice-President Richard Nixon. He made clear his disagreement with the administration over their support for France in its attempt to keep the North African colony of Algeria as part of the French empire. (Allen Nevins, editor, The Strategy of Peace, pp. 66–80) Kennedy opened that speech by saying that people around the world wanted to be independent and that the enemy of independence was imperialism. Kennedy was saying he understood that the era of European colonialism was ending and he was willing to side with the Third World nationalists in Algeria against the longtime American ally in Paris. Sukarno and the Non-Aligned Movement now had a potential ally in Kennedy. In the election of 1960, that potential was realized.

When Kennedy took office, he arranged a deal. Sukarno would return Pope to the USA and Bobby Kennedy, along with diplomat Ellsworth Bunker, would convince the Dutch to give Sukarno West Irian. This was called the New York Agreement and it was signed at the United Nations in late summer of 1962. The Dutch were out of the picture concerning the Ertsberg, but Dulles still understood what the real situation was. Kennedy and Sukarno did not. With the assassination of Kennedy in 1963 and the overthrow of Sukarno in 1965, Dulles achieved his original goal for his backers, the Rockefellers. How those last two steps were achieved form the backbone of Poulgrain’s work, because they depict the triumph of both Dulles and Freeport Sulphur, which later became the giant mining conglomerate Freeport-McMoran. They also depict one of the most horrible of modern-day atrocities: the attempted extermination of the PKI, the Indonesian communist party, which resulted in the expulsion of Sukarno and the rise of the military dictatorship of General Suharto, who would rule Indonesia for three decades.

It’s a rare thing when an author achieves a comprehensive and penetrating analysis of a long-forgotten historical episode, while delivering his story with a pace more apropos to a thriller novel than a groundbreaking addition to the historiography of the C.I.A. at mid-century. Dr. Greg Poulgrain’s sweeping and important book is one of the most exciting reads in recent memory—equal parts Indiana Jones, Ian Fleming novel, and geopolitical tour de force—with keen attention paid to the inner personalities of two of the most iconic figures of the 1960s, Allen Dulles and John F. Kennedy. We watch as they played their delicate chess game to determine the future of the Indonesian government; and, by extension, control of the nation’s vast offshore petroleum reserves, along with the largest gold deposit ever discovered in human history.

Poulgrain’s book stands out for a number of reasons, not least for the flair he possesses as a stylist. Often books on subjects such as this plod through the historical data, citing numerous and turgid anecdotes and stenographic notes from dry briefings that largely put one to sleep. I’ve always found this unfortunate, as the real history of the C.I.A. during the 1960s contains the stuff of the greatest fiction, the greatest cinema. And Poulgrain seems to have noticed. While never shying away from the archives and the documented record, his achievement lies first in his framing of the chance 1936 discovery of the Ertsberg mother lode by a daring prospector working for a Dutch petroleum company as a dramatic hook. He then juxtaposes this earlier timeline against the colorful backdrop of the later power struggle playing out between a freshly elected President Kennedy and his soon to be nemesis, C.I.A. Director Allen Dulles, all the while filling in the relevant gaps to guide the reader through this powerful climactic showdown, which includes a chapter on UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjold.

Moreover, Poulgrain was able to meet with Jean-Jacques Dozy, the prospector who struck gold in 1936, as well as with key political figures relevant to the later political drama in Indonesia during the overthrow of Sukarno in 1965. He conducted a series of interviews from the late 1970s to the late 1980s. And he weaves together his personal notes from these interviews to enrich and enliven the story even further, lending a sort of murder-mystery air to the book in high fashion. How much gold was really in the Ertsberg? Were the explorer and his team complicit in the initial coverup? Who really held the keys to Indonesia’s future? Were internal forces and internecine Indonesian strife responsible for the fated events that unfolded over the next three decades? Or were Dulles and friends in Langley solely to blame for another bloody coup by proxy? Such are the questions the author explores in his fine work.

A special notice should go to the portrayal of the night of September 30, 1965. That evening may rank with the Night of the Long Knives as to pure treachery and diabolical aim. Many historical commentators have tried to figure out what really happened on that evening, which created such a reversal of Indonesian history. Due to the interviews he did with some of the survivors of that dark episode, Poulgrain gives us the best explication ever written unraveling that mystery. The book is worth reading just for that chapter. (See Chapter 7)

As most readers of this genre understand by now, Allen Dulles represented an iconic, often sinister, and looming figure in the grand tapestry of mid-century America. From his longstanding ties to the giant law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, to his role in the creation of the Treaty of Versailles, to his vast Rolodex of spies, assassins and international contacts, to his close friendships and admiration for postwar Nazi war criminals like Reinhard Gehlen, he presents an impenetrable and often sociopathic personality, someone who, in his own words, enjoyed the sound of a rat’s neck breaking as the spring trap snapped shut.

Driven in large part by pure imperialistic greed and deception, and at other times by what appears to be a genuine aversion to anything resembling socialism, collectivism, or non-alignment with U.S. anti-communism, Dulles was the perfect foil to the pro-Third World, pro-decolonization John F. Kennedy. Three years prior to his close victory over Richard Nixon, Kennedy delivered impassioned speeches on the Senate floor, championing the freedom of the Algerian people against the French:

I am concerned today that we are failing to meet the challenge of imperialism—on both counts—and thus failing in our responsibilities to the free world. (Remarks of Senator John F. Kennedy in the Senate, Washington D.C., July 2, 1957, John F. Kennedy Library)

Yet, in many ways, Sullivan and Cromwell was about imperialism. If one is representing the Rockefellers, as Allen Dulles was, then one is involved with an imperialistic system of beliefs. This ideological impasse between two irreconcilable worldviews serves as the tense thematic backdrop against which the book’s many detours add both color and historical perspective to the dramatic saga of the Indonesian archipelago at the beginning of the decolonization era. As Poulgrain notes, “Kennedy realized during his first year in office that much of the advice on Indonesia from DCI Dulles was premised on the belief that Sukarno’s leadership was Indonesia’s fatal flaw.” (JFK vs. Allen Dulles, p. 46)

While most scholars seem to place the singular showdown between Dulles and Kennedy at the Bay of Pigs debacle—designed to fail by Dulles and associated C.I.A. cohorts in order to force Kennedy to commit U.S. carrier air support—Battleground Indonesia, the subtitle of Poulgrain’s book, presents a fascinating window into a largely overlooked, but critically important, episode in the Pacific. This episode would represent, along with the Congo Crisis, some of the last gasps of pure unfettered imperialism in its most crystalline form, a quixotic adventure involving obscure shell corporations operating illegally under C.I.A. protection, powerful moneyed interests from the shadow world, familiar names from the later Kennedy assassination plot like George de Mohrenschildt and L. Fletcher Prouty, and corrupt Indonesian officials and splinter groups with their own diverse interests. All of this played out under the wary eye of a sitting U.S. president who intimated that some of his closest intelligence advisors were obfuscating and distorting the situation to suit their own agendas. It is, at once, a tragic and incredible story that has been largely lost in the dizzying array of C.I.A. exploits the world over and, as Poulgrain observes, “into this matrix of intelligence entanglements, Kennedy proceeded unawares.” (JFK vs. Allen Dulles, p. 9)

The attraction of this work also lies in another achievement that is often forgotten in books of the genre, namely, the personal touch. Frequently, Poulgrain plays the role—commandingly—of amateur psychologist and adds in important depth and essence to the characters involved in this grand undertaking to gain control of the Ertsberg and its associated billions of dollars of ore, to name but one of the numerous story arcs in JFK vs. Allen Dulles. Too often, we forget that human beings, no matter what their titles or powers, are still just that, human beings and, as such, are often fallible, naive, ruthless, proud, furtive, bold, corrupt, cowardly, impetuous, sanguinary, honorable, and countless other adjectives. They are rarely the simple paper cutouts in the annals of history in the extensive catalog of books attempting to detail their exploits.

This book lives up to its title: JFK vs. Allen Dulles, while tying together a grand panoply of monied interests, international power players, secret agents, and heads of state, ultimately still reading like a battle of two central personalities: President John F. Kennedy, the fresh and enterprising ingenue, filled with a sincere conviction to deliver on his promises to liberate the oppressed people of the developing world—perhaps the last sitting president to legitimately champion the ostensible slogans of the United States overseas and at home—against the Old Guard hardline anti-Communist Director of Central Intelligence Allen Welsh Dulles, Kennedy’s eventual nemesis and the likely architect of his untimely demise in the backseat of a limo in Dealey Plaza. It’s a brilliant dramatic conceit and, when combined with the copious and fresh source material and alluring insights of a first-rate researcher like Dr. Greg Poulgrain, makes for one of the best reads in its genre.

[Robert Reeves]

This is going to be a bit of a rambling post ... some parts wont make sense to you at all. Some might, depending on your views of USA and its authenticity. I was thinking about this (Dulles) the other other day after watching a news clip of Dulles and the rest of Warren Commission. And I think it comes down to a whole heap of illegality. Details of which ... Allen Dulles would know better than anyone. For instance, and specifically, the operations to murder foreign leaders, which is illegal for any POTUS, I think I'm right in saying? If so, obviously illegal for the agency involved with those attempted killings?.

Whichever side of the fence you're on with this assassination of JFK you've got to admit it's weird that Dulles was appointed a member of the Warren Commission. It's just not straight that a guy fired by JFK for incompetence get chosen to flex his power to influence an investigation into JFK's violent death. I bet if you asked the heads of intelligence agencies around the world at the time they would have identified Dulles as a suspect. I bet if they'd been in charge with the investigation Dulles would have been pulled in to answer questions. (when you consider the powers of death that Dulles had at his disposal from 53 to 61 it's an obvious question to ask: did Dulles get his goons to kill JFK)

Dulles was not only humiliated domestically. The entire world was watching. The world would have reported this sacking. It would have pointed a finger directly at JFK's chosen fall guy, Mr Alan 'Knucklehead' Dulles. This gave great decision insight to the Soviets, and allies of USA, made them all think JFK is a tough guy. It was a tough move. JFK obviously would have been aware just how powerful and respected Allan Dulles was, then. The chattering classes in politics & military, especially, they would have been scanning every article about this subject. A mad rush to get all the details. And using the information to then formulate NEW plans, because the plans that looked reliable and concrete under Alan Dulles' had all gone out the window. CIA dominance under Dulles was potentially dead! (the corps were spombleprofglidnoctobunsting themselves), plus USA's foreign policy was tits up!.

I ask: The Dulles' era CIA was, and especially during Eisenhower's time, it was the dominant USA agency tasked with projection unto the world?. Especially when it came to nation assistance and plus maintaining the status quo of American dominance world-wide.

And I also ask: The CIA was Dulles' play thing?. I've read David Talbot's books. He paints this 'play thing' CIA picture of Dulles. That the dictatorship Hoover had in operation over at the FBI was mirrored with Dulles and the CIA. If this is so, that an all powerful man, like Dulles, was ultimately in charge & dictating CIA's, and thus huge chunk of USA's foreign policy. When JFK fired Dulles: 1. Every nation with aspirations to be on USA's best friend list suddenly pinged their American envoy to fill them in on how to now address matters of diplomatic etiquette. 2. Every enemy scrambled trying to figure out who is going to be the next CIA director. And wondering if JFK's threats to scatter the CIA is coming true. So was the CIA now irrelevant. A lot of nations would be now in the dark when it came to the formalities of war making in USA.

So I believe it was put to the grieving Kennedy family that there's a big problem ahead for the nation. Bobby knew what they were going to say. C-U-B-A. Bobby Kennedy knew exactly was coming. And so he fronted to the rest of the Kennedy's what he got JFK to sign-onto and how this may have all backfired horribly on JFK. And it's my belief that when Bobby actually got reports back from people assigned by the Kennedy's to find out the truth about who murdered JFK. The truth of who actually had JFK killed. Bobby Kennedy allegedly spoke with Enrique “Harry” Ruiz-Williams, Bobby told him “One of your guys did it.” I think when Bobby Kennedy figured out the names of people photographed in Dealey Plaza on the day of the assassination, some CIA agents, associated with the CIA both officially and unofficially. Some of these 'patriots' were already known to Bobby. He knew they'd whacked several foreign leaders and their political allies for the CIA. I think the penny dropped for Bobby just what a dangerous situation he and his family now find themselves in. President Johnson, a man that not only dislikes Bobby, Bobby openly showed his dislike for Johnson. This man was now running the results of a coup d'etat in USA. He has the powers to stage a total dud. And he could, if he wanted to, blame illegal assassinations on JFK & Bobby. Just say he was merely the vice president and was relegated to shaking hands at photo ops during the JFK era.

 Apparently Bobby had a better relationship with Alan Dulles than JFK. I don't care what anyone says, Bobby Kennedy knew the CIA was involved. His own son RFK jr says the family knew the CIA was involved. They knew right away it was from the inside. That's going to be too hard for the more rabid lone shooter believers to swallow. The Kennedy's almost from the get-go thought JFK was killed at the orders of the CIA. Aka, Dulles and his clan. Bobby knew he had to accept Dulles would keep the Kennedy's out of the CUBAN illegality situation. By that I mean, Bobby was spombleprofglidnoctobuns scared he and his family would get whacked, should he speak up. He could tell the entire world what he suspected had really happened, but it would rip apart USA. No one could dispute that. They didn't rock the boat the Kennedy's. It was a cataclysmic situation should the Kennedy's say their truth. Bobby Kennedy knew the only way he could guarantee truth, for JFK, and safety for his family, would come if he was president. This has been confirmed by many sources, RFK jnr, also says this. I read somewhere in a book Bobby Kennedy sent a Col. known to the Kennedy family to Dallas the day of the assassination. That he was tasked to finding out immediately what had happened.

People think the Kennedy's just did nothing and accepted the crappy Warren Report. The billionaire Kennedy's weren't innocent when it came to strong-arm tactics and flexing your cash to influence people for your goals.The Kennedy's just lost to a more vicious level of opponent, when JFK got assassinated. I tend to think these people operating around the highest echelons of the elites are not unaccustomed to psychopath behaviour. They know the game and play it also. The Kennedy's were part of that win at all costs mentality. I think the Kennedy's accepted what happened to JFK. That this was part of the game they were participating in. The assassination's, in the end, curtailed their ambitions. The assassinations of the Kennedy's enabled dreams for other candidates in the CIA's family tree. CIA's procession of leaders ensued once JFK got whacked.

I remember about 10 or more years ago watching a clip of George Herbert Walker Bush slapping Teri Hatcher's ass in a parking lot whilst a group of presumably secret service agents watch him. I thought to myself, these people, behind doors, what do they get up to? when they don't see the camera's around are different people. I mean, Bush must have been in his late or mid 70s and here he is slapping a 90s tv show Goddess' ass. What the hell is their relationship with each other? We live is a gigantic illusion that our leaders are decent people and they are not actually mafia thugs flexing all their wealth and power to do as they please. I watched Teri Hatcher getting her ass slapped by Bush Snr and couldn't help but think this was like a scene from an undercover filming of a mafia don flexing in front of the younger guys showing them the level of skirt he'd bang'd, then, and could. Maybe was.

We're in another world compared to people like Dulles, the Kennedy's, Clinton's & the Bushes. It's grim! I wouldn't say no to some of the perks (after watching old man Bush).

[Tom Scully]

....

I remember about 10 or more years ago watching a clip of George Herbert Walker Bush slapping Teri Hatcher's ass in a parking lot whilst a group of presumably secret service agents watch him. I thought to myself, these people, behind doors, what do they get up to? when they don't see the camera's around are different people. I mean, Bush must have been in his late or mid 70s and here he is slapping a 90s tv show Goddess' ass. What the hell is their relationship with each other? We live is a gigantic illusion that our leaders are decent people and they are not actually mafia thugs flexing all their wealth and power to do as they please. I watched Teri Hatcher getting her ass slapped by Bush Snr and couldn't help but think this was like a scene from an undercover filming of a mafia don flexing in front of the younger guys showing them the level of skirt he'd bang'd, then, and could. Maybe was.

We're in another world compared to people like Dulles, the Kennedy's, Clinton's & the Bushes. It's grim! I wouldn't say no to some of the perks (after watching old man Bush).
...

https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1472279926820773901

Walter Sheridan oral history, 1970 :
https://www.jfklibrary.org/sites/default/files/archives/RFKOH/Sheridan%2C%20Walter/RFKOH-WS-06/RFKOH-WS-06-TR.pdf
"...SHERIDAN: I think he was. I think he believed Gurvich that Garrison had nothing. I
 don’t know what he himself really thought about the whole thing. I was
 always reluctant to talk to him
[-118-]
about it. I think his basic feeling was that John Kennedy was dead and it didn’t really matter.
But one thing he said that was interesting was sometime during the Garrison thing, and I
think it was about this time when I was bringing Gurvich up, because of course Garrison kept
getting into the CIA [Central Intelligence Agency] involvement. One time he said to me, he
said, “You know, at the time I asked Dulles [Allen W. Dulles] if he killed my brother, or if
they had killed my brother and I asked him in a way that he couldn’t lie to me, and they
hadn’t.” It wasn’t quite that blunt but it was pretty blunt. What he was saying was that he had
looked into that possibility and was satisfied himself that they weren’t involved.
GREENE: Do you think he was satisfied with the general conclusions of the Warren
 Report, or he just didn’t even care enough to think about it?
SHERIDAN: I don’t know. I just don’t know, because we never talked about it. .."

https://jfkfacts.org/comment-of-the-week-2/
Author Jean Davison, Oct. 28, 2015 :

"...Personally I like direct quotes, not interpretations. Arthur Schlesinger’s book on RFK says this:

“Allen Dulles handled himself awfully well, with a great deal of dignity,” Robert Kennedy said of the period after the Bay of Pigs, “and never tried to shift the blame. The President was very fond of him, as I was.”

— Robert Kennedy and His Times, p. 459

[Jerry Freeman]

Allen Welsh Dulles (April 7, 1893 – January 29, 1969) was the first civilian Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), and its longest-serving director to date. As head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) during the early Cold War, he oversaw the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état, the Lockheed U-2 aircraft program, the Project MKUltra mind control program and the Bay of Pigs Invasion. He was fired by John F. Kennedy over the latter fiasco.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

The “Confessions” of Allen Dulles:
New Evidence on the Bay of Pigs
LUCIEN S. VANDENBROUCKE

In November 1961 Allen W. Dulles resigned from the Central Intelli-
gence Agency (CIA), ending a tenure as director that had spanned nearly a
decade. On 17 April of that year, a brigade of Cuban exiles, armed and
directed by the CIA,had landed at the Bay of Pigs in Cuba in an effort to
topple the regime of Premier Fidel Castro. Within days, however, Castro’s
forces crushed the invasion, killing or capturing almost the entire brigade.
Stunned by the disaster, newly elected President John F. Kennedy began to
reconsider the advice that he had been receiving. Upon taking office from
President Dwight D. Eisenhower only a few months before, Kennedy had
asked Dulles, who had directed the CIA throughout the previous administra-
tion, to remain at the head of the agency. But in the wake of the Cuban
debacle, Kennedy decided that it was time for the director of central intel-
ligence ( X I ) to go, and Dulles left quietly.’

MORE------
 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.921.1729&rep=rep1&type=pdf

[Tom Scully]

Dulles in decline,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Morris

"New York Days," by Willie Morris

www.amazon.com/New-York-Days-Willie-Morris/dp/0316584215/

[Robert Reeves]

@ Tom

I think you're trying to tell me that blaming the CIA, per se, which I am guilty of, is a slippery slope to which you believe ultimately discredits Garrison? seems like (from the posts I read) he is discredited, in your eyes, as he appears to have/had some rather close relationships himself with members of the agency?

I've seen enough CIA operatives in the photographs from the day to be confident of what I also know, details given by suspects. Details that confirm several people are telling the truth about their observations and personal interactions on the ground in dealey plaza.

Rip Robertson (left) & John O'Hare (right). Red circles. Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers, blue circled.



Rip Robertson and O'Hare not all that far from where Umbrella Man was standing on Elm St.



It's nothing new here, Rip Robertson and O'Hare have been long suspected of being in dealey plaza.

I find the pic below allegedly of Rip Robertson in November the 24th 1964, two days after the assassination of JFK year-on anniversary. Rip Robertson in Congo about to launch a large ass-kicking with the help of a group of Cubans. A mission for the CIA. John O'Hare's own son posted this image on twitter naming the man holding the umbrella as being Rip Robertson. .



Look at Buddy Walthers in the top photo, I ask myself: did he just pass off the bullet, or evidence, he found by the curb, in the grass, to Rip Robertson? Look at the hands of the man (I claim is Rip Robertson). Looks at his hands. He's covering something inside his hands. But that's just my observation.

But I am good for a challenge. Ol Baw Bag Chapman asks 'conspiracists' to name the men involved. I will accept this challenge.

1. Dulles 2.Helms 3. Hunt 4. Lansdale 5. Rip Robertson 6. O'Hare 7.  Sturgis 8. Loy Factor 9. Arthur Wayne Baker 10. Rear Admiral Dr. George Burkley

All of the above were involved on the ground or knew what happened and the people involved.

And I've seen 'spycraft' and all this crap before. Supposedly there's no way fairly high-level operatives and even the lowly unknowns would have been openly photographed on the day in dealey plaza, WHY WOULD THEY BE AFRAID? Who is going to come after them when JFK expires and all the power is handed to LBJ/Hoover/Dulles' CIA remnants/Secret Service incompetency cover-up.   

“Allen Dulles handled himself awfully well, with a great deal of dignity,” Robert Kennedy said of the period after the Bay of Pigs, “and never tried to shift the blame. The President was very fond of him, as I was.”

I find the thoughts of RFK Jnr very interesting on the subject on the assassination(s). And I give more credence to what a 'Kennedy' drops as an insight into what the Kennedy's really believed, at the time. There's a lot of them, so yeah it varies just how much they're into this theory they've been targeted -- as RFK Jnr says. What RFK said in public is very smart. Especially if you think he was trying to get into the white house and not ever giving a hint to his intentions once there. Almost all the people involved in the assassination were still alive and kicking. Why would he be loose with his lips. People that knew him would leak he and the family were respectful of the Dulles' CIA. As ol LBJ said, they'd been running a Murder INC.

[Jerry Freeman]

Rip Robertson (left) & John O'Hare (right). Red circles. 

Who made the ID there? Mr Rip was there alright but he was wearing a hat and tipped it as the limo drove by. About O'Hare---

After attention from three US subcommittees, O'Hare faked his own death and left the United States and his family and relocate to South Africa, never to be heard from again.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/John_Adrian_O%27Hare

'CIA Agent' Alive And Well In Costa Rica?

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/belligerence/MJ-5-14-76.htm

William "Rip"  Robertson---

William Rip Robertson CIA - Grayston Lynch – CIA - Richard Dick Billings - Operation Tilt - William Pawley - John Martino- On JFK - June 19, 1963

“Don’t worry John, we are going to kill the Mother Fxxxxx.”
Daniel Sheehan is a prominent lawyer with clients such as James McCord and Santos Trafficante. He has a lot of inside knowledge of the JFK Assassination and has taught a college level course on the subject at the University of California. According to Sheehan, CIA agents William Rip Robertson and Grayston Lynch had been in the presence of William Pawley, Richard Dick Billings and John Martino on the night of June 19, 1963 discussing the problems with John F. Kennedy. One of them stated to John Martino, “don’t worry John we are going to kill the mother fxxxxx.” CIA agents William Rip Robertson and Grayston Lynch are in a photograph in Dealey Plaza taken a few seconds before the assassination. William Rip Robertson is tipping his hat to JFK. John Martino later told his wife, “they're going to kill him. They're going to kill him when he gets to Texas.” You can review a video of this yourself at 38:26 ....