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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #176 on: January 28, 2022, 02:33:26 PM »
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All this "could have" stuff is pure speculation for which there isn't a shred of evidence.

It's circular logic of the worst kind.

Oswald carried a paper bag to work, so the bag found in the TSBD must be that bag.
Because the bag found at the TSBD is too long, Frazier must be mistaken about the way Oswald carried the bag.

An amazing example of desperately trying to make 'evidence' fit the narrative   :D

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« Reply #177 on: January 28, 2022, 02:48:57 PM »
How tall is Rather compared to Oswald?
Rather wrapped the bag tightly around the barrel, to reduce the size of the visible part. There is no evidence that Oswald did the same. In fact, iirc Randle said Oswald was holding the top of the package which was folded.

Frazier could only have known that Oswald carried the package under his armpit I he actually saw Oswald put it there. If he had seen Oswald's back he couldn't know this detail.

Rather was 5’10” and LHO was 5’9”, rather close don’t you think?


Frazier could only have known that Oswald carried the package under his armpit I he actually saw Oswald put it there. If he had seen Oswald's back he couldn't know this detail.

If Frazier actually saw LHO tuck the bag up under the armpit, I think that he would have answered Bug’s question by saying so. Instead, he agrees that LHO could have carried the bag in front him and Frazier wouldn’t have seen it. That tells me that Frazier assumed the bag was tucked under the armpit because that it how it appeared to him from behind LHO. Now, if you have any evidence that Frazier actually saw the rifle being tucked up under the armpit, please present it. Otherwise, you are the one making the assumptions.

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« Reply #178 on: January 28, 2022, 03:04:11 PM »
     Q: Tell me, how was Lee Harvey Oswald carrying this package you described
          as he was walking in front of you?

     A: Parallel to his side, up and down. Like you stick it up under your armpit and
          the other part cupped in his hand.

     Q: Did you determine whether it was in his armpit or were you close enough to
          see that?

     A: No, sir, I was not close enough to see. I didn't pay attention to it particularly,
          but as he was walking along in front of me naturally I looked in his direction
          and that is what it appeared to be from what I saw.


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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #179 on: January 28, 2022, 03:42:35 PM »
Rather was 5’10” and LHO was 5’9”, rather close don’t you think?


Frazier could only have known that Oswald carried the package under his armpit I he actually saw Oswald put it there. If he had seen Oswald's back he couldn't know this detail.

If Frazier actually saw LHO tuck the bag up under the armpit, I think that he would have answered Bug’s question by saying so. Instead, he agrees that LHO could have carried the bag in front him and Frazier wouldn’t have seen it. That tells me that Frazier assumed the bag was tucked under the armpit because that it how it appeared to him from behind LHO. Now, if you have any evidence that Frazier actually saw the rifle being tucked up under the armpit, please present it. Otherwise, you are the one making the assumptions.

Oh boy...I have no intention to present anything to counter what you think/believe without anything substantive to back it up.

But I can also play this game. If Frazier really believed that Oswald carried the bag protruding out, he would have answered Bugs question by saying so. Instead he only agrees that if Oswald had carried the bag in front of him, he wouldn't have seen it. That tells me that he knew the bag was tucked under Oswald's armpit, because that's exactly what he said just prior to when "steamroller" Bugs asked that loaded question. Now, if you have any evidence that Oswald actually carried the TSBD bag protruding out, please present it. Otherwise, you are the one making the assumptions.

See how easy that is?

Now, if you have any evidence that Frazier actually saw the rifle being tucked up under the armpit, please present it.

Why don't you first prove conclusively that the bag Oswald carried contained a rifle, before you ask such a silly question? Frazier never saw the rifle, period!

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #180 on: January 28, 2022, 03:59:00 PM »
Oh boy...I have no intention to present anything to counter what you think/believe without anything substantive to back it up.

But I can also play this game. If Frazier really believed that Oswald carried the bag protruding out, he would have answered Bugs question by saying so. Instead he only agrees that if Oswald had carried the bag in front of him, he wouldn't have seen it. That tells me that he knew the bag was tucked under Oswald's armpit, because that's exactly what he said just prior to when "steamroller" Bugs asked that loaded question. Now, if you have any evidence that Oswald actually carried the TSBD bag protruding out, please present it. Otherwise, you are the one making the assumptions.

See how easy that is?

Now, if you have any evidence that Frazier actually saw the rifle being tucked up under the armpit, please present it.

Why don't you first prove conclusively that the bag Oswald carried contained a rifle, before you ask such a silly question? Frazier never saw the rifle, period!

Such a mighty struggle against reality.  You have to wonder why?  Martin won't even acknowledge that he is a CTer.  Again, the bag was found.  It had Oswald's prints on it connecting him to it beyond any doubt.  Oswald himself denied to the DPD carrying any bag except his lunch bag.  Oswald either lies to the DPD or Frazier about carrying his lunch that day.  No bag along the size estimated by Frazier was ever found or accounted for in any way.   No one who worked in the TSBD ever claimed or explained the presence of the large empty bag next to the SN.  It just magically appears there in Martin's fantasy.  Just as his shorter bag magically vanishes. 

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #181 on: January 28, 2022, 04:15:01 PM »
Oh boy...I have no intention to present anything to counter what you think/believe without anything substantive to back it up.

But I can also play this game. If Frazier really believed that Oswald carried the bag protruding out, he would have answered Bugs question by saying so. Instead he only agrees that if Oswald had carried the bag in front of him, he wouldn't have seen it. That tells me that he knew the bag was tucked under Oswald's armpit, because that's exactly what he said just prior to when "steamroller" Bugs asked that loaded question. Now, if you have any evidence that Oswald actually carried the TSBD bag protruding out, please present it. Otherwise, you are the one making the assumptions.

See how easy that is?

Now, if you have any evidence that Frazier actually saw the rifle being tucked up under the armpit, please present it.

Why don't you first prove conclusively that the bag Oswald carried contained a rifle, before you ask such a silly question? Frazier never saw the rifle, period!

Bug’s question does not have the word “if” in it. Frazier didn’t agree to an “if” question. Your game playing sucks if you have to rely on changing the question.

I should have used the word bag or package instead of the word rifle. I stand corrected. Bugs succeeded in putting doubt in everyone’s mind (including Frazier) about whether or not the package was actually tucked under the armpit. Frazier himself (the one who actually saw LHO carrying the package) admitted this by answering that Bug’s statement was true.

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #182 on: January 28, 2022, 04:37:24 PM »
Did the short bag get longer or did the long bag get shorter

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Re: Questions For Buell Wesley Frazier
« Reply #183 on: January 28, 2022, 04:48:18 PM »
Did the short bag get longer or did the long bag get shorter

What short bag?   ;)

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« Reply #183 on: January 28, 2022, 04:48:18 PM »