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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Not a conspiracy theory.....
« on: February 06, 2022, 03:33:07 AM »
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From Capt Will Fritz' and SAIC Forrest Sorrels' notes...
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29103#relPageId=1

Oswald claimed that upon leaving the TSBD from the front [south door] he encountered a guy [asking for the nearest telephone] who showed him an ID [Secret Service he thought] Actually there were two.... [WFAA Dallas radio reporters Pierce Allman and Terrence Ford] who were looking for a phone. Oswald was recorded directing such.

This is supported by WC Document 354 page 4----
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10755#relPageId=4

This was also verified by non other than Postal Insp. Harry Holmes-----
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0155b.htm

By their estimation, the reporters determined that their phone business was about 3 minutes after the last shot was heard and they had bailed from their camera car.

What is theory ...is that Lee Oswald after shooting at the motorcade unobserved managed to stow away a rifle...negotiate down to the 2nd floor lunchroom unobserved....encounter Ofc Baker and Mr Truly...then gallivant to and down the front staircase where he directed the news guys to the telephone. This was at the FRONT door.
All under or about 3 minutes :-\

Wasn't that nice of someone who was so desperate to 'escape' that he took time to give some telephone directions to these reporters?

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Not a conspiracy theory.....
« on: February 06, 2022, 03:33:07 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2022, 03:44:39 AM »
From Capt Will Fritz' and SAIC Forrest Sorrels' notes...
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29103#relPageId=1

Oswald claimed that upon leaving the TSBD from the front [south door] he encountered a guy [asking for the nearest telephone] who showed him an ID [Secret Service he thought] Actually there were two.... [WFAA Dallas radio reporters Pierce Allman and Terrence Ford] who were looking for a phone. Oswald was recorded directing such.

This is supported by WC Document 354 page 4----
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10755#relPageId=4

This was also verified by non other than Postal Insp. Harry Holmes-----
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0155b.htm

By their estimation, the reporters determined that their phone business was about 3 minutes after the last shot was heard and they had bailed from their camera car.

What is theory ...is that Lee Oswald after shooting at the motorcade unobserved managed to stow away a rifle...negotiate down to the 2nd floor lunchroom unobserved....encounter Ofc Baker and Mr Truly...then gallivant to and down the front staircase where he directed the news guys to the telephone. This was at the FRONT door.
All under or about 3 minutes :-\

Wasn't that nice of someone who was so desperate to 'escape' that he took time to give some telephone directions to these reporters?

Excellent post, Mr Freeman!

The plot thickens further when we factor in the full story Postal Inspector Holmes heard Mr Oswald tell:

BEFORE the encounter at the front entrance with the man looking for a telephone, Mr Oswald had an encounter at that same front entrance with a police officer and the building superintendent Mr Roy Truly.

Mr Truly could not possibly have gone up to the roof, come back down again and gone back to the front entrance BEFORE the man came running up the steps looking for a telephone. Therefore Mr Oswald was already at the front entrance when Officer Baker and Mr Truly went rushing in just after the shots

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2022, 06:41:44 AM »
Excellent post, Mr Freeman!

The plot thickens further when we factor in the full story Postal Inspector Holmes heard Mr Oswald tell:

BEFORE the encounter at the front entrance with the man looking for a telephone, Mr Oswald had an encounter at that same front entrance with a police officer and the building superintendent Mr Roy Truly.

Mr Truly could not possibly have gone up to the roof, come back down again and gone back to the front entrance BEFORE the man came running up the steps looking for a telephone. Therefore Mr Oswald was already at the front entrance when Officer Baker and Mr Truly went rushing in just after the shots
I believe that this 'superintendent' was actually Bill Shelley. One--He was there. Two-- He did not want to be involved. Three---he lied about not seeing Oswald. Four--the janitor who mentions him regarded Shelley as a Supervisor.
Five--Truly was on the roof with Baker at the time. Additionally, the cop mentioned at the front door was Patrolman Welcome Barnett.

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Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2022, 12:02:41 PM »
I believe that this 'superintendent' was actually Bill Shelley. One--He was there. Two-- He did not want to be involved. Three---he lied about not seeing Oswald. Four--the janitor who mentions him regarded Shelley as a Supervisor.
Five--Truly was on the roof with Baker at the time. Additionally, the cop mentioned at the front door was Patrolman Welcome Barnett.

Baker and Truly enter the building within seconds of the assassination, the encounter with Allman was 3 - 4 minutes later. It's not possible for it to be an encounter between Baker and Oswald.
Was Shelley in the lobby 3 - 4 minutes after the shots?

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2022, 01:29:51 PM »
I believe that this 'superintendent' was actually Bill Shelley.

Mr Truly was the building superintendent (Mr Holmes' testimony) and Mr Oswald's boss (Mr Holmes' interrogation report).

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And, according to  One--He was there. Two-- He did not want to be involved. Three---he lied about not seeing Oswald. Four--the janitor who mentions him regarded Shelley as a Supervisor.

Supervisor is not the same thing as building superintendent. Mr Truly was the building superintendent.

Mr Lovelady told Mr Jarman he saw Mr Oswald in an exchange at the front door with an officer and Mr Truly---------just as Mr Holmes has Mr Oswald saying. And just as DPD were telling the press 11/22:



Officer Baker did not in fact 'challenge' or 'confront' or 'stop' Mr Oswald-----------he was simply looking for someone who worked there to show him the way to the stairs. Mr Oswald confirmed he worked there. Had Mr Truly not come running up those front steps and volunteered to assist Officer Baker, the man who escorted Officer Baker to the rear stairs would have been-----------Mr Lee Harvey Oswald

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Five--Truly was on the roof with Baker at the time. Additionally, the cop mentioned at the front door was Patrolman Welcome Barnett.

I'm afraid this doesn't work...............

Mr. LIEBELER - How long do you think it was from the time the last shot was fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out?
Mr. BARNETT - It was around 2 1/2 minutes. Maybe between 2 1/2 or 3 minutes.
Mr. LIEBELER - From the time the last shot was fired until the time you were standing at that front door?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you let anybody out of the building after you got there?
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; until they were authorized.
Mr. LIEBELER - Who was in a position to authorize people to come in and out?
Mr. BARNETT - Well, of course, for sometime no one left except city, county, and Federal officers
, and then after the people in the building were took into the small room there and questioned, they were brought to the door by a lieutenant, which I don't remember his name, but that was sometime after, and he brought them to the door and told us to let them out.


If Officer Barnett was already at the front entrance stopping non-authorized people go in or come out, how did
--------------a pressman get past him going in?
--------------Mr Oswald get past him going out?

Mr Oswald had his encounter with the pressman BEFORE Officer Barnett went to the front entrance in order to keep non-authorized people from going in or coming out. This happened within the window of time described by Officer Barnett here:

Mr. BARNETT - That was probably 2 1/2 minutes after the last shot was fired. About that time, my sergeant came up from this way, from the north of Houston Street and asked me to get the name of that building. I broke and ran to the front and got the name of it. There were people going in and out at that time. I ran back and told him the name of it, and about that time a construction worker ran from this southwest corner of the intersection up to me and said, "I was standing over there and saw the man in the window with the rifle." He and I and the sergeant all three broke and ran for the door.

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2022, 01:33:08 PM »
Baker and Truly enter the building within seconds of the assassination, the encounter with Allman was 3 - 4 minutes later. It's not possible for it to be an encounter between Baker and Oswald.

Why, pray, is it not possible?

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2022, 02:24:34 PM »
Mr Truly was the building superintendent... 
The 'superintendent' allegation was made by a third party [or a hearsay comment]
Chief Curry wasn't there so he can't state first hand who was.
Consider---
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Mr. BALL - That's Mr. Shelley?
Mr. LOVELADY - Mr. Bill Shelley.
Mr. BALL - What is his position with Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. LOVELADY - He would be under Mr. R. S. Truly.
Mr. BALL - Is he a foreman?
Mr. LOVELADY - I guess you would call it that......
According to the Fritz notes [linked above] ...Oswald stated that he was "out front with Shelley".
Don't get too hung up on semantics when dealing with various statements and allegations.
Further----
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Mr. BALL - You ate your lunch on the steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Who was with you?
Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me
Mr. BALL - What was that last name?
Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton.
Lovelady was about to say "and right behind me....." Who? Who was right behind him?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Not a conspiracy theory.....
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2022, 04:04:00 PM »
Moreover-----
Barnett's statements were riddled with inconsistencies [covering his backside]
So why believe him?
What's more...I am not suggesting that Prayer Man is Oswald. 
Who is this woman?-----

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