Are these two photos legit?

[Jake Maxwell]

Some of you are so well-read in these matters, you might have seen this before... but this adds a little wrinkle to the “boxes in the window” discussion... Very interesting... This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs (see para #270 below)... Interesting...

The following is from:
Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy / Volume 6
By United States. Congress. House. Select Committee on Assassinations (1979)




The source for the following is linked below the quote (JFK.hood.edu....) I’m not certain if this is from the Committee report, but it does seem to summarize and conclude on the same note...:



http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/JFK%20Assassination%20Photos%20Book/Pages%20301-350.pdf

[Charles Collins]

Some of you are so well-read in these matters, you might have seen this before... but this adds a little wrinkle to the “boxes in the window” discussion... Very interesting... This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs (see para #270 below)... Interesting...

The following is from:
Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy / Volume 6
By United States. Congress. House. Select Committee on Assassinations (1979)




The source for the following is linked below the quote (JFK.hood.edu....) I’m not certain if this is from the Committee report, but it does seem to summarize and conclude on the same note...:



http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/JFK%20Assassination%20Photos%20Book/Pages%20301-350.pdf

A look at the U.S. Naval Observatory's data for Dallas, TX at 12:30pm on 11/22/63 shows the exact position of the sun:

#declare alt[ 383]=  37.0 ; #declare azimuth[ 383]= 184.9;#declare time[ 383]= "12:30"

Simple trigonometry shows that with the clear weather and the height and orientation of the windows, that the boxes in question, in the article you posted, would be lit by the sunshine. I don't know why the study didn't take all of the factors into consideration. It appears that they make some assumptions that are entirely incorrect.

Here's an image using my 3D virtual model with the sun located properly for 12:30pm on 11/22/63. This is from just west of the sniper's nest looking east into the nest. This should give you a rough idea of the situation. And yes, I have verified the sun position is correct.

[John Iacoletti]

This Congressional Committee made the determination that the boxes were moved in the interval between the Dillard and Powell photographs

Exactly.  So what's the excuse, Nutters?  Is this another case of the HSCA photo panel being right, except when they are not?

[Jerry Freeman]

Maybe the photos show slightly different perspectives.

Do you really think? Maybe one was taken with a drone... The other with a 20 foot tripod.
Which one do you like the most?

[Charles Collins]

Exactly.  So what's the excuse, Nutters?  Is this another case of the HSCA photo panel being right, except when they are not?

If you think they were right, show us. Otherwise, you are just being your usual self and contributing nothing of substance.

[Richard Smith]

Do you really think? Maybe one was taken with a drone... The other with a 20 foot tripod.
Which one do you like the most?

What are you suggesting happened?  That fantasy conspirators rushed into action in the moments after the assassination to move around some boxes then made their escape down the bat pole to the bat cave? 

[Jake Maxwell]

Is there any photo evidence of the actual “sniper nest setup” from the inside of the 6th floor after 12:30pm, November 22, 1963?
Did the Warren Commission have any photos used in their investigation/documentation of this setup?

[Charles Collins]

Is there any photo evidence of the actual “sniper nest setup” from the inside of the 6th floor after 12:30pm, November 22, 1963?
Did the Warren Commission have any photos used in their investigation/documentation of this setup?

Here’s a post that James Hackerott made a short while ago that includes an image from the film that Alyea made shortly after the assassination. You can see that the boxes are in the sunlight and are set back from the windows. This proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that the congressional report is nonsense.

Thanks Charles! You are too fast for me. I’m wanting to pin down the time as close as possible for Alyea’s SN film of the rest boxs. Here are a few gifs and another “time-lapse” taken before Alyea’s SN.

First is a time-lapse of two detectives, I’m not sure which ones. Note the light and shadow hitting the west face of the book stack center frame.  The kneeling detective seems to hold a rifle (it looks slightly curved because it was moving during the exposures) just to the left of the History Channel logo. The standing detective is in motion during this image and is blurred as expected in the time-lapse. Anyway, that shadow pattern in helpful for timing and positioning, but in Alyea’s film of the gun rest boxes sunshine no longer hits the west face. As the animation progresses notice the development of light and shadow on the vertical brickwork of the window well at the north edge. In the Alyea rest box time-lapse that shadow pattern is just noticeable. I think this may be the best indicator of the time, but is difficult to simulate due to my modeling errors of the window parts. 


Another problem I’ve had is using the window opening of 17”, which I believe Jerry has posted in the past. The problem appears with the shadow that hits the northern corner of the window box, and is barely observable in the Alyea footage. At 17” the shadow is too large and I need at least 18-18.5” to match Alyea. Probably errors in my window construction.

Your rendering looks pretty good. As for the light/shadow hitting that book stack that upper shadow is due to the horizontal window muntin. Would you try to narrow the time interval where the shadow first hits that book stack’s west face, as well as the time the face is in total shadow? In my sims the shadow hits the top right edge a few minutes before the bottom edge.

Also the time you first see light hitting the window vertical bricks will be helpful. 

Your window box looks to be positioned pretty good. Would you increase the open window height until the box top only shows a small shadow on the northern corner?

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And Thank you for your help!