Geneva Hine

[Charles Collins]

Geneva Hine gives her testimony to the Warren Commission on April 7, 1964. If one reads her testimony and relates it to the second floor plan of the TSBD, it is apparent that she is looking out the east window of their office (overlooking Houston Street) as JFK’s limo is traveling north on Houston Street and turning west on Elm Street. She would not be able to follow it any further than when it disappears behind the southeast corner of the TSBD from her point of view.

Here is a relevant part of Geneva Hine’s testimony:

Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you look out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you see?
Miss HINE. I saw the escort car come first up the middle of Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. Going north on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; going north on Houston Street. I saw it turn left and I saw the President's car coming and I saw the President and saw him waving his hand in greeting up in the air and I saw his wife and I saw him turn the corner and after he turned the corner I looked and I saw the next car coming Just at the instant I saw the next car coming up was when I heard the shots.
Mr. BALL. How many did you hear?
Miss HINE. Three.
Mr. BALL Could you tell where the shots were coming from?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; they came from inside the building.
Mr. BALL. How do you know that?
Miss HINE. Because the building vibrated from the result of the explosion coming in.

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Mr. BALL. That is when you were at the window, is that right?
Miss HINE Yes, sir; that is when I was at the window, because the next car, you see, was coming up and turning and I looked.


Geneva Hine doesn’t specify which car is the next one. I therefore have to speculate that it would either be literally the next vehicle (the presidential follow-up car) or possibly the Vice Presidential vehicle. The presidential follow-up car was only a few feet behind the limo at this point. And there was a significant gap between it and the vice presidential car. So, I suspect that she is describing the vice presidential car. Either way, Geneva Hine’s testimony is that the shots began very soon after the presidential limo disappeared from her point of view behind the southeast corner of the TSBD.

Looking at an animation that shows an overhead view of Dealey Plaza and the locations of the motorcade vehicles as they progress through the plaza area, it appears to me that at the time frame around Z133 the vehicles that Geneva Hine describes would be about where she says they were when the shots began. I will post an image of this here shortly from another computer.




It appears to me that Geneva Hine can be added to the list of witnesses who’s accounts support a first shot around the Z133 time frame.

[Jerry Freeman]

Here is a relevant part of Geneva Hine’s testimony:

Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone *until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.

   
Geneva Hine gives her testimony to the Warren Commission on April 7, 1964. If one reads her testimony and relates it to the second floor plan of the TSBD, it is apparent that she is looking out the east window of their office (overlooking Houston Street) as JFK’s limo is traveling north on Houston Street and turning west on Elm Street. She would not be able to follow it any further than when it disappears behind the southeast corner of the TSBD from her point of view.

You quite misunderstood this Mr Collins.
Reading further....

Mr. BALL. That is when you were at the window, is that right?
Miss HINE Yes, sir; that is when I was at the window, because the next car, you see, was coming up and turning and I looked. Of course I looked when I heard the shots. I just stood there and saw people running to the east up Elm Street. I saw people running; I saw people falling down, you know,
lying down on the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. That was on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. No, sir; Elm.
Mr. BALL. You could see could you see any part of Elm?
Miss HINE. East, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You could see east on Elm?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I could see east on Elm.

Ms Hine could only see people 'falling down...lying on the sidewalk' looking west. She was obviously looking out from the easterly window south across Elm and misstated the direction that Elm goes. She knew which way the motorcade was going and of course would not be looking across at the Dal-Tex building.
That's all.
Except..."*until the lights all went out and the phones became dead" ----
Why did this happen don't we wonder? 

[Charles Collins]

   
Geneva Hine gives her testimony to the Warren Commission on April 7, 1964. If one reads her testimony and relates it to the second floor plan of the TSBD, it is apparent that she is looking out the east window of their office (overlooking Houston Street) as JFK’s limo is traveling north on Houston Street and turning west on Elm Street. She would not be able to follow it any further than when it disappears behind the southeast corner of the TSBD from her point of view.
You quite misunderstood this Mr Collins.
Reading further....Ms Hine could only see people 'falling down...lying on the sidewalk' looking west. She was obviously looking out from the easterly window south across Elm and misstated the direction that Elm goes. She knew which way the motorcade was going and of course would not be looking across at the Dal-Tex building.
That's all.
Except..."*until the lights all went out and the phones became dead" ----
Why did this happen don't we wonder? 

Here is the second floor plan:



This image was taken from the spot numbered 28 and the direction arrow pointing east:



There is a total of 5 sets of double windows in the office. Two of the five sets of windows are in Mr. Campbell's office, and two sets are in Mr. Cason’s office. They all face east. Geneva Hine was looking out the window which was between Mr. Campbell's office and the closet that backs up to the elevator shaft. It is the window furthest to the right in the photograph posted above. After the shots were fired, Geneva Hine tried to get into two different office spaces which have south facing windows. But both of those offices were locked and she never was able to look out any south facing windows. Geneva Hine then went back in the back door to her office and started answering the phones which had started ringing by then.

If you read her entire testimony, all of this becomes quite clear.

[Richard Smith]

   

Except..."*until the lights all went out and the phones became dead" ----
Why did this happen don't we wonder? 

She was referring to the lights on the phone if you read her entire comment in context.  She is explaining why she could leave her desk (her job was to answer the phones) and look out the window (i.e. there were no incoming calls because the "motorcade was coming").

Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.

[Jerry Freeman]

She was referring to the lights on the phone if you read her entire comment in context.  She is explaining why she could leave her desk (her job was to answer the phones) and look out the window (i.e. there were no incoming calls because the "motorcade was coming").

Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.

You explain nothing as usual  " The lights went out because the motorcade was near"? --"The phones  became dead "?
That was very specific and you never are.

   After the shots were fired, Geneva Hine tried to get into two different office spaces which have south facing windows. But both of those offices were locked and she never was able to look out any south facing windows. Geneva Hine then went back in the back door to her office and started answering the phones which had started ringing by then.
If you read her entire testimony, all of this becomes quite clear.

Where did Hine state 'south window' or 'south' anything 

Miss HINE. Yes; and I went straight up to the desk because the telephones were beginning to wink; outside calls were beginning to come in.
Mr. BALL. Did they come in rapidly? 
Miss HINE They did come in rapidly.

Why did all of a sudden- the calls came in "rapidly"? You ignore the statement-------

Mr. BALL. That is when you were at the window, is that right?
Miss HINE Yes, sir; that is when I was at the window, because the next car, you see, was coming up and turning and I looked. Of course I looked when I heard the shots. I just stood there and saw people running to the east up Elm Street. I saw people running; I saw people falling down, you know,
lying down on the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. That was on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. No, sir; Elm.

If you re-read the testimony it becomes quite clear.

[Richard Smith]

You explain nothing as usual  " The lights went out because the motorcade was near"? --"The phones  became dead "?

Huh?  It is a quote from Hine.  What do you think she is saying?  That the motorcade caused the power and phones to go out?  LOL.  We know that isn't the case because she immediately walks down the hall and encounters someone talking on the phone!  Lastly, there is no conspiracy related purpose to turn the power and phones off in the TSBD for a few seconds.  Here is where the contrarians interject that no one has suggested this was the result of a conspiracy.  But if the claim simply is that the power and phones went off and it had nothing to do with a conspiracy, then knock yourself out if you want to believe that.  It doesn't matter.  And, of course, the Hertz sign didn't go out since we can it is displaying the time at almost the same instant Hine is describing.

[Jerry Freeman]

   What do you think she is saying?That the motorcade caused the power and phones to go out?  That the motorcade caused the power and phones to go out?  LOL.  We know that isn't the case because she immediately walks down the hall and encounters someone talking on the phone!

So she just made it up? And I saw no word 'immediately' in that testimony. You are just inventing stuff again.
 

Lastly, there is no conspiracy related purpose to turn the power and phones off in the TSBD for a few seconds.

Sez you ... how would you know? And "lastly"? I would hope so but doubt it.
Also Hine did not state "for a few seconds" another Smith invention. Truly and the cop was waiting for the elevators...they weren't moving.   

And, of course, the Hertz sign didn't go out since we can it is displaying the time at almost the same instant Hine is describing.

It has been reported long ago that the Hertz sign was on a separate breaker in a different area. Try and catch up.

[Charles Collins]

You explain nothing as usual  " The lights went out because the motorcade was near"? --"The phones  became dead "?
That was very specific and you never are.
 Where did Hine state 'south window' or 'south' anything  ::)Why did all of a sudden- the calls came in "rapidly"? You ignore the statement-------If you re-read the testimony it becomes quite clear.

 Where did Hine state 'south window' or 'south' anything 


I didn't say that Hine used the word south. That was my wording.



Look at the floor plan for the second floor. It is the south windows that face out on to Elm Street.


Why did all of a sudden- the calls came in "rapidly"?

I would only be able to guess. Are you trying to insinuate that there just had to have been be a sinister reason for it. 


You ignore the statement-------

Mr. BALL. That is when you were at the window, is that right?
Miss HINE Yes, sir; that is when I was at the window, because the next car, you see, was coming up and turning and I looked. Of course I looked when I heard the shots. I just stood there and saw people running to the east up Elm Street. I saw people running; I saw people falling down, you know,
lying down on the sidewalk.
Mr. BALL. That was on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. No, sir; Elm.



What are you trying to insinuate? That the only people who ran and got down on Elm Street were west of the southeast corner of the TSBD? And that none of the people on Elm Street that were in her view from the east window of her office ran or got down on the sidewalks? 

Here's the continuation of Hine's testimony (which you conveniently left out):

Mr. BALL. You could see could you see any part of Elm?
Miss HINE. East, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You could see east on Elm?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; I could see east on Elm. I saw them run across east on Elm away from where his car had gone and my first thought was if I could only see what happened, so I went out our front door into the foyer.
Mr. BALL. You mean the front door to the office?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That opens on---
Miss HINE. The foyer, little hall, and---
Mr. BALL. Steps lead down?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; but there is a door before the steps and the elevator is to my left and I went past the hall that goes to my right and I knocked on the door of Lyons and Carnahan; that's a publishing company.
Mr. BALL. What did you do then?
Miss HINE. I tried the door, sir, and it was locked and I couldn't get in and I called, "Me, please let me in," because she's the girl that had that office, Mrs. Lee Watley, and she didn't answer. I don't know if she was there or not, then I left her door. I retraced my steps back to where the hall turns to my left and went down it to Southwestern Publishing Co.'s door and I tried their door and the reason for this was because those windows face out.
Mr. BALL. On to Elm?
Miss HINE. Yes; and on to the triple underpass.


Read Hine's description of where she went (after the shots) trying to get to windows which overlook Elm Street [you should also be looking at the floor plan and locating the places she describes]. The first thing she does is go out their front door to the foyer, little hall, and.... [Locate this on the floor plan]. She is talking about the door which has "Room 200" written above it. This tells us that (in order to go out that door) she had just been inside her office looking out the nearby east facing window when the shots were fired. Once outside her office door she goes to and knocks on the door of Lyons and Carnahan. Lyons and Carnahan offices had windows which overlook Elm Street [face south]. Why would she want to go inside that office? Because she wanted to see what had happened but couldn't see the area where the presidential car had gone (this just happens to be the part of Elm Street west of the southeast corner of the TSBD). A second effort was made by going to the offices of Southwestern Publishing Co., which was just down the hall and also has windows overlooking Elm Street [facing south]. Hine had no luck getting in that office either. Then Hine continued down the hall and went back through the back door (near the camera location #28) to her office.