Geneva Hine

[Mitch Todd]

Mooney said the power to the elevator had been cut, not power to the building. Nor did he say that power to the phones had been cut.

And nobody argued that he did say that.

That is exactly what Iacoletti tried to imply by including the reference to Mooney's testimony. Otherwise, why would he have brought it up?
 

And why would such an assumption be incorrect when you have a phone system with multiple lines, with calls coming in all the time?

Who said that calls were coming in "all the time?" For that matter, what is meant by "all the time" in the first place?

But even if there wasn't a constant stream of incoming calls, does that make it a normal occurrence that the phones went dead at exactly the moment the motorcade was passing by?

Who said the phones "went dead at exactly the moment the motorcade was passing by?" Hine didn't. She's not specific about how rapidly calls dropped of, or exactly when they did (10 seconds before the motorcade arrived? One minute? Five minutes? Even 10? All of those can be contained in her description. Same with the amount of time it took for the calls to start coming back in, or the rate that they did.

[Mitch Todd]

It's as simple as that and Weidmann's pathetic attempts to manipulate this argument to what Mooney said in his testimony instead of focussing on John's deception just proves Weidmann isn't here for the truth.

For many years, I've seen people argue that Mooney testified that power had been cut to the building. It's not a new claim. I figure that Iacoletti wasn't trying to pull a fast one, but simply cribbed off of some book or article he read.

[Charles Collins]

One aspect, that no one has mentioned, is that a significant number of calls incoming to the phone system that Hine was monitoring probably came from within the TSBD itself. Keep in mind that there was several companies (plus the TSBD company) all housed within that building. Each company would have had its own separate phone system. So a call coming in to Hine’s phone system need not be from outside the building. And guess what: Practically all the people who worked in the TSBD were busy watching the motorcade. This is one potential reason that the incoming calls had stopped when the motorcade was approaching. Another reason is that it was the noon hour all across the state of Texas, and most people were out to lunch.

For me, all of this argument is rather insignificant compared to Hine’s description of when she said she heard the first shot. It does appear to me to support an early missed shot.

[John Iacoletti]

So, there was power until Mooney got on the elevator and had ascended from the ground floor to the second. And he said that power cut only for the elevator. He didn't say it was building-wide.

He didn't say it wasn't either.

As for "She said nothing about lights ON THE PHONE," it's worth pointing out that she also said nothing about THE BUILDING LIGHTING going out, or about ELECTRICAL POWER BEING CUT OFF, or any number of other things expressed in ALL CAPS. Nor is there any good reason to think that she wasn't referring to lights on the phone.

There's no good reason to think that she was.

[John Iacoletti]

Finally, thanks for agreeing that "Iacoletti's" post of linking two disparate events was intentionally misleading.

There's nothing "misleading" about it.  You just want to believe that Hine was talking about lights on the phone.

[Walt Cakebread]

No, the only one who is trying to be intentionally misleading is you.

John said;

Mooney testified;

Mr. MOONEY - It was a push button affair the best I can remember. got hold of the controls and it worked. We started up and got to the second. I was going to let them off and go on up. And when we got there, the power undoubtedly cut off, because we had no more power on the elevator.

John Iacoletti's comment was factual

I believe that the elevators operated on DC voltage....The lighting and power circuits in the building were AC voltage....  IOW... Someone could have opened the DC circuit breakers for the elevators, to prevent the elevators from being used.

[John Iacoletti]

Putting aside that there would be absolutely no conspiracy related purpose to turn the power and phones off for a few moments at the time of the assassination (and the Hertz sign was clearly working at that moment), her testimony is clear in context.

And by "context", you mean wild-ass guesses from LN evangelists.

It's a constant source of amusement to me that "Richard" knows exactly what a conspiracy that he doesn't believe in would do at any given moment.

[John Iacoletti]

This was after Hine's statement about the lights and phone.  The fact that Mooney could take the elevator means that the power either never went out or it went out around 12:30, came back on for Mooney to ride the elevator, and then went out again.

So maybe it did.  Why would there have to be only one power outage?

  Mooney's elevator operates just fine until the people who work in the building exited.  Then he couldn't get it to work.  Likely because he did not understand how it operated.

What makes that "likely"?