Colors of Blue and Gold

[Jon Banks]

That's exactly right.  There appears to be two incentives.  After pulling out of Afghanistan the military complex needed another endless war to fund the machine.  There are lots of military contractors getting filthy rich selling equipment to the US to send to Ukraine.  And the old Cold War hawks are finally getting a crack at Russia that they desired for decades weakening Russia at the expense of the people of Ukraine.  Underlying all of the above was the fake conspiracy theory that Trump and Putin were somehow collaborating to end democracy. The politics of this war work to support that baseless political narrative.  That is why so many liberals who are historically opposed to war are the most ardent advocates of this war. They see Putin and Russia as a proxy for Trump.  So any means justifies the ends.  Even WWIII.

Sadly I think you're spot-on.

In contrast, in 2014, before the "Trump-Russia" stuff, polls showed Democrats overwhelmingly opposing US intervention in Ukraine.

See the quote below from a 2014 article:

"fewer than a quarter of Republicans, Democrats or independents surveyed favored sending weapons and other military supplies to help the Ukrainian government -- and more Democrats than Republicans favored offering economic assistance, 56% to 43%."

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2014-mar-10-la-pn-republicans-military-involvement-ukraine-20140310-story.html

[Richard Smith]

The excuses are already beginning as to why the Ukrainian couneroffensive has amounted to nothing other than more stalemate after receiving billions in military aid.  What does that mean?  You guessed it.  They need more American money and weapons including cluster munition warheads designed to maximize casualties.  That means lots more civilian deaths.  Way to go Joe!  This is working out well.  No need to find a solution.  Just let the war go on and on.

[Joe Elliott]

The excuses are already beginning as to why the Ukrainian couneroffensive has amounted to nothing other than more stalemate after receiving billions in military aid.  What does that mean?  You guessed it.  They need more American money and weapons including cluster munition warheads designed to maximize casualties.  That means lots more civilian deaths.  Way to go Joe!  This is working out well.  No need to find a solution.  Just let the war go on and on.

The Great Fun the Russians had last weekend make me believe the war won't go on an on. A 480 mile drive from Rostov to Moscow, stopping 120 miles short. 80 % of the way. Until Prigozhin lost his nerve. It takes more than ordering men to be murdered with a sledgehammer to show your tough. Prigozhin showed to history that he is not tough. Not tough the way Zelensky is. Or even Mike Pence.

Where was the Russian army? Where was the Russian National Guard? Where was the Russian Air Force. A moderate amount of air power should have been able to stop a moderate size force like that. An army force is most vulnerable to air power when it is on the move. Only a minimum response was made by the air force, and less by the army.

The armed forces have no loyalty to Putin. They were just standing around to see what would happen. No wonder Putin sounded so panic, comparing himself to Nicolas II. Fearing another 1917.

Question:

In all of history, where have we seen an army go through what the Russian army did last week, and continue on to fight a "Forever War", for another 10 years? For another 5 years?

The British had nothing like this happen in the American Revolution, but managed to fight on for 6 years before throwing in the towel.

I can't think of anything similar. Can anyone?

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I don't think the Ukrainians have started the real offensive yet. If they have, they have made a mistake. They should wait until the ground dries out from the flood caused by the Russians blowing the dam. Along the Dnipro river. And maybe the ground where the reservoir was upstream may dry out under the hot Ukrainian sun. Once the ground has dried out as much as possible, Russians will have to send forces back to the west to defend these regions. Only then will the Russian lines be thinned out enough to give Ukraine it's best chance. I hope Ukraine waits till the best moment and don't rush things just to get something to happen before some NATO meeting.

[Joe Elliott]

It appears that in the next few days, on or shortly after July 5, Russia is going to launch a nuclear strike against Ukraine. By having an 'accident' at the Russian occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power plant. All personal are being ordered away from there. It seems he may have learned a lesson from blowing the dam. Not getting his troops out of the flood path and exposed to bad drinking water that gives them Cholera. At least, that is what it looks like.

I think the final trigger to this is the Wagner mutiny. To show Putin is capable of anything. Like fleeing the Kremlin and Moscow if the Wagner Group makes a run at him.

If this happens, it won't work and will make everyone more determined than ever to stop him. Some people never learn.

[Jon Banks]

It appears that in the next few days, on or shortly after July 5, Russia is going to launch a nuclear strike against Ukraine. By having an 'accident' at the Russian occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power plant. All personal are being ordered away from there. It seems he may have learned a lesson from blowing the dam. Not getting his troops out of the flood path and exposed to bad drinking water that gives them Cholera. At least, that is what it looks like.

I think the final trigger to this is the Wagner mutiny. To show Putin is capable of anything. Like fleeing the Kremlin and Moscow if the Wagner Group makes a run at him.

If this happens, it won't work and will make everyone more determined than ever to stop him. Some people never learn.

The IAEA has reported that there’s no suspicious activity at the Nuclear power plant.

The truth is, Ukraine’s counteroffensive is going poorly. They desperately need a game-changing event to justify long term military and financial aid.

So Ukraine could potentially be planning a false-flag incident at the Nuclear power plant.

[Richard Smith]

It appears that in the next few days, on or shortly after July 5, Russia is going to launch a nuclear strike against Ukraine. By having an 'accident' at the Russian occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power plant. All personal are being ordered away from there. It seems he may have learned a lesson from blowing the dam. Not getting his troops out of the flood path and exposed to bad drinking water that gives them Cholera. At least, that is what it looks like.

I think the final trigger to this is the Wagner mutiny. To show Putin is capable of anything. Like fleeing the Kremlin and Moscow if the Wagner Group makes a run at him.

If this happens, it won't work and will make everyone more determined than ever to stop him. Some people never learn.

"Some people never learn."  Words of wisdom.  The US politicians didn't learn from Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.  Old Joe jumped right back into another regional conflict which can't be won.  And if there is a nuclear incident that is as much on Biden as anyone.  His insane overreaction to this conflict has escalated the situation, resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, and the destruction of many regions of Ukraine.  The Russians are certainly morally at fault but this war has nothing to do with democracy or any of the bull spun by Biden and the leftist media.  It is all about money and weakening Russia by using the Ukrainians as fodder.  They will curse Biden's name for centuries the same way they curse LBJ in Vietnam.   Be careful what you wish for with the Wagner group.  It is bizarre to imply that it would be better if Putin is removed by a militia group (a real insurrection and not the fake Jan. 6 version).  The Wagner group is not upset with Putin for invading Ukraine.  They are angry because the war has not been conducted more ruthlessly.  Imagine the Russian nuclear arsenal in the hands of those people.  That is what Biden's policy has done.  He has put the entire world at risk of nuclear war for no clear purpose and with no exit ramp. 

[Richard Smith]

As expected, Old Joe continues to escalate.  He has decided to send "cluster" bombs to Ukraine which are designed to maximize casualties including civilian casualties.  It means many more unnecessary and gruesome deaths for Ukrainians.  The Russians are dug in now.  It will be almost impossible to overrun them by military means.  That means stalemate for as long as the Russians want this to continue.  Maybe years.  How much will it eventually cost?  How many more people are going to die?  How much will the outcome be changed by years of war?  What is Old Joe's plan to end it?  It truly borders on the incredible that the US has gotten itself back into a similar situation here after finally getting out of Afghanistan.  And with no clear objective or way to end it.  Just as long as it takes again.  What "it" is remeans unclear as it was in Vietnam and Afghanistan.   

[Jon Banks]

As expected, Old Joe continues to escalate.  He has decided to send "cluster" bombs to Ukraine which are designed to maximize casualties including civilian casualties.  It means many more unnecessary and gruesome deaths for Ukrainians.  The Russians are dug in now.  It will be almost impossible to overrun them by military means.  That means stalemate for as long as the Russians want this to continue.  Maybe years.  How much will it eventually cost?  How many more people are going to die?  How much will the outcome be changed by years of war?  What is Old Joe's plan to end it?  It truly borders on the incredible that the US has gotten itself back into a similar situation here after finally getting out of Afghanistan.  And with no clear objective or way to end it.  Just as long as it takes again.  What "it" is remeans unclear as it was in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

We have to destroy Ukraine to save it.