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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #400 on: July 10, 2023, 04:00:30 PM »
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We have to destroy Ukraine to save it.

Staggering death toll estimates on both sides.  And for what when all is said and done?   Millions died in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan in endless wars.  Everyone was worse off at the end of those conflicts than the beginning.  The US certainly has never benefitted from these endless regional conflicts.  Old Joe has put himself in the Vietnam box with no off ramp.  His only hope is that Russia says "no mas" at some point.  That is not a strategy but a floundering wish with the decision solely on the side of Russia for determine when it is over.   

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« Reply #401 on: July 11, 2023, 03:41:06 PM »
After being given billions in military equipment and support by the US, Zelensky is upset that Ukraine is not being allowed to join NATO.  What exactly would happen if that were allowed while they are still at war with Russia?  WWIII because it would necessitate that the US and "Europe" intervene to protect Ukraine as a fellow NATO member.  Zelensky is reaching the point where he is demanding direct intervention by the US and others in an endless war.  An incredibly unreasonable and dangerous request.  If Old Joe had any backbone, he would be the one making the demands on Zelensky to end this war via some type of settlement.  Instead Old Joe has no real plan or policy.  It just goes on and on getting increasingly dangerous and maximizing the harm and cost to everyone involved.   The leftists who flew those Ukrainian flags after being sold on the state propaganda must be feeling like rubes at this point.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #402 on: July 11, 2023, 10:56:28 PM »
After being given billions in military equipment and support by the US, Zelensky is upset that Ukraine is not being allowed to join NATO.  What exactly would happen if that were allowed while they are still at war with Russia?  WWIII because it would necessitate that the US and "Europe" intervene to protect Ukraine as a fellow NATO member.  Zelensky is reaching the point where he is demanding direct intervention by the US and others in an endless war.  An incredibly unreasonable and dangerous request.  If Old Joe had any backbone, he would be the one making the demands on Zelensky to end this war via some type of settlement.  Instead Old Joe has no real plan or policy.  It just goes on and on getting increasingly dangerous and maximizing the harm and cost to everyone involved.   The leftists who flew those Ukrainian flags after being sold on the state propaganda must be feeling like rubes at this point.

Ukraine is effectively part of NATO but they're not an official member so they don't get the benefit of NATO coming to their defense against Russia. Which sucks for Ukraine but that's the situation they're in. They're not going to be allowed to join NATO while they're being invaded.

Zelensky lashed out publicly against NATO countries today and I think it's the clearest sign that he's breaking down mentally over the war.

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« Reply #403 on: July 12, 2023, 01:57:47 PM »
PBS ran an incredibly biased account of Putin last night.  At one point they mocked the fact that he held a meeting at which his advisors sat widely spaced apart.  They compared it to the treatment of schoolchildren.  Apparently forgetting the mantra about social distancing which the leftists were promoting at the time.  Incredible propaganda.  I'm no fan of Putin and the Russians are morally wrong for invasion of Ukraine, but it is frightening how complicit the leftist media has become with our state sponsored propaganda. Simply repeating what they are told without question.  Not much different than the Russian media.

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« Reply #404 on: July 12, 2023, 06:00:29 PM »
PBS ran an incredibly biased account of Putin last night.  At one point they mocked the fact that he held a meeting at which his advisors sat widely spaced apart.  They compared it to the treatment of schoolchildren.  Apparently forgetting the mantra about social distancing which the leftists were promoting at the time.  Incredible propaganda.  I'm no fan of Putin and the Russians are morally wrong for invasion of Ukraine, but it is frightening how complicit the leftist media has become with our state sponsored propaganda. Simply repeating what they are told without question.  Not much different than the Russian media.

It's usually bad to believe your own BS but many liberals in politics and the news media do believe their own BS about Russia.

Hence why they're so shocked that Ukraine's counteroffensive is floundering so far.

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« Reply #405 on: July 14, 2023, 01:55:14 PM »
Old Joe is being pressured by Zelensky to send in the ground forces.  For some inexplicable reason, despite having approximately 100K Americans soldiers in "Europe", Old Joe has just ordered more soldiers there.  Ukraine Joe has yet to articulate an American interest in this conflict or a means to end it, but he has consistently escalated the military presence.  The most reckless foreign policy decision in history.  All the while expanding NATO to the borders of Russia in a threatening manner that will serve only to escalate the tensions and extend the war.  He is basically giving Russia and Putin only two options.  Capitulation or world war.  A dangerous and reckless situation being directed by a clown show.

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« Reply #406 on: August 08, 2023, 01:23:38 PM »
Even leftist state arm propaganda outlet CNN is acknowledging today that Ukraine has suffered "staggering" losses in the recent offensive while gaining almost no ground.  The war is effectively a stalemate consuming thousands of lives and billions of dollars for no purpose.  It is Afghanistan and Vietnam all over again.  Old Joe has yet to articulate a policy except "as long as it takes."  That could mean years more of endless war with no end game.  A recent poll cited by CNN indicates that the majority of Americans are now opposed to funding the war.   Yet it goes on and on enriching the military contractors and corrupt politicians.
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Re: Colors of Blue and Gold
« Reply #407 on: August 10, 2023, 06:10:12 PM »
Even leftist state arm propaganda outlet CNN is acknowledging today that Ukraine has suffered "staggering" losses in the recent offensive while gaining almost no ground.  The war is effectively a stalemate consuming thousands of lives and billions of dollars for no purpose.  It is Afghanistan and Vietnam all over again.  Old Joe has yet to articulate a policy except "as long as it takes."  That could mean years more of endless war with no end game.  A recent poll cited by CNN indicates that the majority of Americans are now opposed to funding the war.   Yet it goes on and on enriching the military contractors and corrupt politicians.

The news media narrative certainly seems to have turned very gloomy of late. And it was predictable to anyone who read the Pentagon leaks that came out last Spring.

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« Reply #407 on: August 10, 2023, 06:10:12 PM »