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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #176 on: May 12, 2022, 04:56:16 PM »
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Once a thing occurs, the odds against it occurring are no longer relevant.  It's like telling someone holding a winning lottery ticket that the odds against them winning are so long that it is impossible they won.  Lunatic logic.  You are trapped down the rabbit hole taking the events individually to avoid the larger totality of evidence.  Your timeline nonsense is pointless if the evidence otherwise confirms Oswald was there at the moment Tippit was murdered.  This event occurred in broad daylight in front of numerous witnesses.  Oswald was identified by multiple witnesses as the person at the scene.  He is arrested a short distance away with a gun AND the same two brands of ammo as used by the killer.   If Oswald is the murderer of Tippit, then we know with no ambiguity that he was there even if we can't know with absolute certainty the exact minute of his every movement.

One trick pony, "Richard", strikes again. Your total incapacity of giving due consideration to anything you don't already believe in is duly noted.   Thumb1:

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #177 on: May 12, 2022, 05:03:51 PM »
Your timeline nonsense is pointless if the evidence otherwise confirms Oswald was there at the moment Tippit was murdered. 

But it doesn’t. Sorry, “Richard”.

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #178 on: May 12, 2022, 06:30:24 PM »

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #179 on: May 12, 2022, 06:50:09 PM »

Good to know someone gets it.



Slam dunk that Callaway (and most of us) would attend to the fallen officer before making any damn phone call.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #180 on: May 12, 2022, 09:31:33 PM »
Slam dunk that Callaway (and most of us) would attend to the fallen officer before making any damn phone call.

Never let facts get in the way of a stupid remark, right Chappy?

Callaway said he did exactly that.

When he arrived at scene, Callaway first checked on Tippit. He then ran to the police car to report the shooting on the police radio and at that time the ambulance arrived. Callaway's call only lasted a few seconds and after that he returned to Tippit and helped to load his body into the ambulance.
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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #181 on: May 13, 2022, 03:17:59 PM »
Let's see if we can resolve the matter being discussed by having a closer look at the timeline, provided by the actual audio recording of the DPD radio.

On page 11 of this thread I gave a detailed schedule for the audio recording posted by Bill Brown, by using the actual times of the recording.

The key points are;

57:28:67 Bowley starts his call
58:14:42 Bowley ends his call (being told to stay of the radio)

58:24:35 Ambulance 602 calls Code 5 (en route)
58:41:85 Ambulance 602 calls Code 6 (for wrong location at Jefferson)
58:48:40 Ambulance 602 asks dispatcher for address on Jefferson - Dispatcher replies: 501 Tenth Street
59:02:85 Ambulance 602 calls Code 6 (for arrival at Tippit scene)

59:30:99 Ambulance 602 tries to get attention of the dispatcher by calling "602"

59:40:98 Callaway starts his call

59:42:85 Ambulance 602 tries again to get the attention of the dispatcher by calling "602"

We know for a fact that Callaway had not yet arrived at the scene when Bowley finished his call. We also know that he arrived on the scene shortly before the ambulance did. This means that Callaway must have arrived at the scene between 58:14:42 and 59:02:85.

We also know that Callaway said that when he arrived at the scene, he first went to check on the victim before he went to the police car to use the radio. He made his call at 59:40:98, which is roughly 38 seconds after the Code 6 call by the ambulance, at 59:02:85.

Although this can not be said with 100% certainty, it's highly likely that when Butler made the Code 6 call, he was still driving the ambulance towards the location. The alternative would be that he first stopped the ambulance and then made the Code 6, but that would only mean a loss of possibly valuable seconds.

So, if Butler did indeed make his Code 6 call at 59:02:85, it would have taken him - I assume - another 10 to 15 seconds to stop the car, near the victim, and get out of the ambulance.

Butler told George and Patricia Nash that he went to check on the victim. When she saw that it was a police officer he returned to the ambulance to let the dispatcher know that the victim was a police officer. The audio timeline shows this call (the first unanswered "602") took place at 59:30:99, so roughly 28 seconds after the Code 6 call.

Only 10 seconds later, at 59:40:98, Callaway makes his radio call.

All this justifies the question when exactly was there time for Callaway (and Bowley) to help load Tippit into the ambulance before Callaway made his call?

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #182 on: May 13, 2022, 03:35:57 PM »
One trick pony, "Richard", strikes again. Your total incapacity of giving due consideration to anything you don't already believe in is duly noted.   Thumb1:

Run Roger run.

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #183 on: May 13, 2022, 03:54:50 PM »
Run Roger run.

Your pathetically childish obsession with this guy, Roger, as well as your complete inability to have a normal conversation is also duly noted  Thumb1:

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« Reply #183 on: May 13, 2022, 03:54:50 PM »