Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Martin Weidmann]

Geez Martin.  I just said that a few posts back.

If it's a trivial matter, then why did you choose to make an issue out of it when I stated that you were wrong to say that Callaway said he saw the killer cut into the alley versus the reality that Callaway saw the killer actually head west on Jefferson?

Yes, Callaway had an open view and saw the killer turning west on Jefferson as he himself was already running towards 10th street? He wouldn't even have to turn around to do that (as you suggested). A quick look over his shoulder would have been enough.

If it's a trivial matter, then why did you choose to make an issue out of it

The one trying to make an issue out of it is you.

It's only a trivial matter for the timeline.

But is this really what you are looking for in this "debate"?

Simply having a normal, civil, honest debate is not what you want, is it now? You just can't do it, can you now? You need to be the clever-dick in a vain attempt to somehow gain the upper hand. That's so sad and it isn't going to work. I'm not going to play that game.

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm not avoiding a single thing.  YOU are avoiding what Scoggins tells you.  Again, if you have a point to make, then make it.

What don't you understand of what I just said?

We can get back to Scoggins's statement after we have resolved the timeline matter which you yourself initiated.

Why are you playing games this early in the debate? Feeling insecure, perhaps?

[Bill Brown]

The dispatcher gives a verbal timestamp of 1:15.

The dispatcher gives a verbal timestamp of 1:16.

Then the Bowley call occurs.

The dispatcher gives two more timestamps of 1:19, roughly 40 seconds apart.

Throughout the dictabelt recordings during this time, the communication is non-stop and therefore we can know just how many seconds passed between one particular communication and another.

Dale Myers studied the tapes exhaustively and using the 1:16 and 1:19 verbal timestamps, determined that Bowley's call occurred at 1:17:41.

Now get on with your point already.

[Bill Brown]

What don't you understand of what I just said?

Why are you playing games this early in the debate? Feeling insecure, perhaps?

I'll make you a deal.

Post something to make me feel insecure and I'll learn what that feels like.  Fair enough?

Now do you want to make your point already or do you want to keep going round and round with your endless nonsense?

[Bill Brown]

In the meantime, I'll continue to post this until it gets addressed.....

The "someone that got on the radio" was Callaway and the "at that
time" was once the ambulance "took him away".

And this just your opinion and incorrect interpretation.

What else could it be?  Who else could it be?  When else could it be? 

You're in denial.

Scoggins tells you that "someone" got on the radio once the ambulance left and this "someone" grabbed the service revolver.  Now who do you think that was?


"And then I got out of the cab and run down there; the ambulance had
already arrived by the time I got there, and they were in the process
of picking the man up, and they had done had him, was putting him on
the stretcher when I got there, and they put him in the ambulance and
took him away, and there was someone that got on the radio at that
time and they told him he was going to report it, so they told him to
get off the air, that it had already been reported, and he picks up
the officer's pistol that was laying on the ground, apparently fell
out of his holster when he fell, and says, "Come on, let's go see if
we can find him." -- WILLIAM SCOGGINS

Read it again.

The "someone that got on the radio" was Callaway and the "at that
time" was once the ambulance "took him away".

[Martin Weidmann]

The dispatcher gives a verbal timestamp of 1:15.

The dispatcher gives a verbal timestamp of 1:16.

Then the Bowley call occurs.

The dispatcher gives two more timestamps of 1:19, roughly 40 seconds apart.

Throughout the dictabelt recordings during this time, the communication is non-stop and therefore we can know just how many seconds passed between one particular communication and another.

Dale Myers studied the tapes exhaustively and using the 1:16 and 1:19 verbal timestamps, determined that Bowley's call occurred at 1:17:41.

Now get on with your point already.

Myers is wrong, because he started by believing that the audio tapes reflect real time, which they most certainly don't.
In fact, the audio tapes do not even match other information the LNs rely on. When individual parts of the official story don't even match up there is only one valid conclusion which is that the DPD time calls can not be relied on. Period.

Btw Myers torpedoed one of your main claims and you don't even know it (yet). Hilarious!

Now get on with your point already.

Again, you don't get to tell me what to do. If the debate is not going the way you want it to, that's your problem. I'll make my point after you answered my question.

I'll make you a deal.

Post something to make me feel insecure and I'll learn what that feels like.  Fair enough?

Now do you want to make your point already or do you want to keep going round and round with your endless nonsense?

Post something to make me feel insecure and I'll learn what that feels like. 

It seems I already did... Are you really this desperate, so soon in the debate?

do you want to keep going round and round with your endless nonsense

I haven't even made my point and you already call it "endless nonsense"? Wow, that really sounds like a guy who wants a debate.

In the meantime, I'll continue to post this until it gets addressed.....

What else could it be?  Who else could it be?  When else could it be? 

You're in denial.

Scoggins tells you that "someone" got on the radio once the ambulance left and this "someone" grabbed the service revolver.  Now who do you think that was?


"And then I got out of the cab and run down there; the ambulance had
already arrived by the time I got there, and they were in the process
of picking the man up, and they had done had him, was putting him on
the stretcher when I got there, and they put him in the ambulance and
took him away, and there was someone that got on the radio at that
time and they told him he was going to report it, so they told him to
get off the air, that it had already been reported, and he picks up
the officer's pistol that was laying on the ground, apparently fell
out of his holster when he fell, and says, "Come on, let's go see if
we can find him." -- WILLIAM SCOGGINS

Read it again.

The "someone that got on the radio" was Callaway and the "at that
time" was once the ambulance "took him away".

In the meantime, I'll continue to post this until it gets addressed.....

He said, stamping his feet in a hissy fit.

Do what you gotta do, I hope you won't feel lonely as a result.

[Bill Brown]

And the REAL Weidmann is beginning to show.

Anyone wanna bet he leaves claiming that I'm not cooperating and therefore no sense in staying?

Make your point about the two 1:19 verbal timestamps so I can see what you're trying to say.

Neither of the 1:19 verbal timestamps relate to Whether or not Callaway jumped on the squad car radio before helping to load the body into the ambulance.

I say Callaway helped load the body BEFORE getting on the squad car radio.  Scoggins agrees with me.  THIS is the topic.

[Martin Weidmann]

And the REAL Weidmann is beginning to show.

Anyone wanna bet he leaves claiming that I'm not cooperating and therefore no sense in staying?

Make your point about the two 1:19 verbal timestamps so I can see what you're trying to say.

Neither of the 1:19 verbal timestamps relate to Whether or not Callaway jumped on the squad car radio before helping to load the body into the ambulance.

I say Callaway helped load the body BEFORE getting on the squad car radio.  Scoggins agrees with me.  THIS is the topic.

And the REAL Weidmann is beginning to show.

You mean the one who is confronting you with actual factual information you don't like? He has been here all along.

Neither of the 1:19 verbal timestamps relate to Whether or not Callaway jumped on the squad car radio before helping to load the body into the ambulance.

Did I ever say it did? It has everything to do with demonstrating conclusively that the official time line (based on the DPD recordings/transcripts) simply isn't credible. The audio recording is useful in some ways, but not as far as radio time vs real time is concerned. What the audio recording (which you now agree is non-stop) does do is actually destroy any possibility of Callaway loading Tippit into the ambulance before making his call. Now, are you man enough to want to find out that your opinion is wrong or will you continue to play silly games?

I say Callaway helped load the body BEFORE getting on the squad car radio.  Scoggins agrees with me.  THIS is the topic.

Sure about that? I could have sworn you started by talking about the DPD audio and transcripts and I was the one wondering what you were doing.

Is it now your intention to reconstruct and debate the entire timeline instead of only when Callaway helped load Tippit in to the ambulance?

But yes, that should be the topic, but I somehow think that I'll be encountering all sorts of road blocks to prevent me from making a conclusive argument which will utterly destroy your claim.