Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Martin Weidmann]

I most certainly have explained how we know that Callaway was incorrectly recounting the proper order of events.

The police tapes clearly tell you that 602 (the Kinsley/Butler ambulance) was leaving the scene at the same time you hear Callaway making his report to the police dispatcher.

Scroggins and Benavides confirm what the police tapes tell you.

Except we don't know that Callaway was "incorrectly recounting the proper order of events". All we know is that you want us to believe that because it's your incorrect opinion, based on a highly questionable interpretation of what two extremely vague witness statements mean.

It's a hell of a way to deal with evidence. Just say the man who was there was mistaken (not once but twice, and only on this point) because your biased interpretation of what Scoggins said is what you foolishly want to believe!

But let me ask you this; how long do you think it took between the ambulance's arrival and departure from the scene? Is it 10 seconds, 30 seconds, one minute...?

[Jake Maxwell]

I don’t know the details of the police tapes... but could Callaway have spoken with the dispatcher twice... once before loading Tippit... and the second time as the ambulance was leaving the scene?
And Callaway is so specific... “the first thing I did”...
Would there be any motivation for getting his timeline so wrong?

[Bill Brown]

But let me ask you this; how long do you think it took between the ambulance's arrival and departure from the scene? Is it 10 seconds, 30 seconds, one minute...?

Barely over a minute.  Like literally 62 to 65 seconds.

[Martin Weidmann]

Barely over a minute.  Like literally 62 to 65 seconds.

Great, that seems a fair estimate.

Earlier in this thread you said;

The police tapes clearly tell you that 602 (the Kinsley/Butler ambulance) was leaving the scene at the same time you hear Callaway making his report to the police dispatcher.

So, to avoid any kind of misunderstanding, let's look at the transcript that used to be on the McAdams website.

Below is a parcial reproduction concerning the relevant period of that transcript. Sorry about the mess, but I couldn't get them to line up properly.

Dispatcher                                                603 and 602. 1:19.
602 (ambulance)                                What was that address on Jefferson?
Dispatcher                                                501 East Tenth.
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)                        85 en route.
19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens)                                19.
Dispatcher                                                19.
19                                                        Give me the correct address on the shooting.
Dispatcher                                                501 East Tenth.
105 (Ptm. J.M. Poe and Ptm. L.E. Joz)        105.
602 (ambulance)                             602, Code 6.
102 (Ptm. B.L. Jones and Ptm. M.D. Noll)  102, Code 4.
105 (Ptm. J.M. Poe and Ptm. L.E. Joz)        Was 519 E. Jefferson correct? (Siren)
Dispatcher   We have two locations;            501 East Jefferson and 501 East Tenth.
Dispatcher                                                19, are you en route?
105 (Ptm. J.M Poe and Ptm. L.E. Joz)        Is this an officer?
                                                        This is northward on Tenth.
19 (Sgt. C.B. Owens)                                10-4.
                                                        10-4.
                                                        10 . . .4.
                                                        10-4.
                                                         . . . on Tenth.
19                                                        19 is en route.
Dispatcher                                             10-4, 19.
605 (ambulance)                                605, Code 5.
Dispatcher   10-4,                                     605. 1:19.
Dispatcher                                                85.
602 (ambulance)                           602.
Dispatcher                                                85.
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)                        85.
Dispatcher                                                Suspect running west on Jefferson from the location.
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker)                        10-4.
Dispatcher                                                No physical description.
Citizen                                                Hello, hello, hello.
602 (ambulance)                           602.
Citizen                                          Pardon, from out here on Tenth Street, 500 block. This officer just shot. I think he's dead.
Dispatcher   10-4.                                We have that information. The citizen using the radio: Remain off the radio now.

Based on what you said previously, am I right in assuming that it is your position that from the moment ambulance 6 called Code 6 (arrival at scene) [marked in bold] until the first time ambulance 6 tried to get the dispatcher's attention by calling "602" [also marked in bold] roughly one minute had gone by? Is that correct?

[Bill Brown]

I'm already beginning to grow bored with this.  I'm sure pretty much everyone else is, too.  Other than quote the relevant portion of Callaway's testimony, you haven't put anything out there.  Again, if you have a point to make, then make it.

Later tonight, I'll post a final summation.  You can do whatever you like.

Then, it'll be left for others to decide, if they feel so inclined.

[Martin Weidmann]

I'm already beginning to grow bored with this.  I'm sure pretty much everyone else is, too.  Other than quote the relevant portion of Callaway's testimony, you haven't put anything out there.  Again, if you have a point to make, then make it.

Later tonight, I'll post a final summation.  You can do whatever you like.

Then, it'll be left for others to decide, if they feel so inclined.

"Losing interest".... again?

What happened to;

Perhaps you should consider pulling out of this debate, because you are not very good at it.

You'd like that.

Other than quote the relevant portion of Callaway's testimony, you haven't put anything out there.

All you have posted are some vague quotes, allegedly by Benavides and Scoggins (which you have failed to authenticate) and your own typical "this is what it is, because I say so" interpretation of those quotes. So what are you complaining about?

It is not my problem that you stayed away for six day, putting the conversation on hold.

Again, if you have a point to make, then make it.

I will, as soon as you answer my question. It's only to make sure that I did not misunderstand you, for goodness sake!

I've answered yours, so why are you so unwilling to answer mine?

[Bill Brown]

And yet another post goes by without you making any sort of a point.

You asked me how long I believe the ambulance was at the scene.  I answered it.  Then you ask yet another question.

We're already 8 pages in and you haven't made any point.

If you do not have a point to make, then just say so and perhaps we can move on to a different topic, regarding the Tippit case.

Up to you.

[Martin Weidmann]

And yet another post goes by without you making any sort of a point.

You asked me how long I believe the ambulance was at the scene.  I answered it.  Then you ask yet another question.

We're already 8 pages in and you haven't made any point.

If you do not have a point to make, then just say so and perhaps we can move on to a different topic, regarding the Tippit case.

Up to you.

Searching for a reason to bail out just because you don't want to answer a question?

You asked me how long I believe the ambulance was at the scene.  I answered it.  Then you ask yet another question.

What's wrong with asking a question, if it helps to improve the debate? I'm not sure if you understand this, but the purpose of a debate is to obtain a better understanding of what the other party is actually saying.

My question was just for clarification. It's the last question, on this particular subject. You have already stated that you believe that the ambulance was at the scene barely over a minute. You have also stated that the two 602 calls made by Butler (just prior and during Callaway's radio call) were to inform the dispatcher they were leaving the scene. To me that tells me that between the Code 6 call (marked in bold on the transcript) and the first 602 call (also marked in bold) there was "barely over a minute". The entire purpose for my question is to make sure I understood you correctly.

It will be my final question on this particular subject, that much I can guarantee.

Once you've answered it I will make my point.