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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #128 on: May 03, 2022, 02:18:20 AM »
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This is crucial information. You started the debate unprepaired?

I wouldn't be surprised if you just got it from Myers and Bugliosi's book and simply accepted it as true without question.

Do you always vigurously defend something that you have no idea if it is actually true or where you first learned it?

All one has to do is listen to the police tapes and it is painfully obvious that Butler reported "602" as they were taking off for Methodist.
 Therefore the assumption (if indeed it was an assumption) that Butler was attempting to report that they were on their way to the hospital is an assumption based on what the evidence tells us.

And if I were you, I'd be careful of attacking Myers and/or Bugliosi.  Just a year and a half ago (not three years ago as you mistakenly claimed earlier in this thread), you believed Callaway had the killer fleeing down the alley, for some reason.  I'm positive Myers and/or Bugliosi never believed such nonsense.
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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #129 on: May 03, 2022, 02:19:19 AM »
Correct; meaning Callaway's call took place as the ambulance was leaving the scene.

I value your opinion, Mitch.  Do you agree with that?
The analysis I did is agnostic as to the sequence of events occurred. It stands on it's own for what it is. What it means, and how it fits in is up to you

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #130 on: May 03, 2022, 02:25:15 AM »
After the Tippit shooting Scoggins tried multiple times to get his dispatcher's attention and finally had a conversation lasting a couple of minutes and the recorded time was 1:23. 

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember whether or not your dispatcher recorded any time on his sheets as to the time you called in after the Tippit shooting?
Mr. SCOGGINS. When I was down there giving my statement to my supervisor, he asked me what time it was, and I said I don't have any idea, so he picked up the phone and called the dispatcher, and he said it was 1:23.


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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #131 on: May 03, 2022, 02:26:50 AM »
The analysis I did is agnostic as to the sequence of events occurred. It stands on it's own for what it is. What it means, and how it fits in is up to you

In my opinion, you have to believe either Callaway made his report on the patrol car radio as the ambulance was leaving... or you believe the ambulance was on the scene for much longer than Butler and Kinsley tell us they were.

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #132 on: May 03, 2022, 05:35:06 AM »
I did assume that the dispatcher made calls to the correct minute. That is a part of his job, after all. If you want to argue differently, you can present evidence to contrary. Otherwise, you're just barking at the moon.

That turns out to be an invalid assumption, given that the supervisor of the dispatchers, James Bowles, is on record saying that the clocks were not precise, were not regularly calibrated or synchronized, and the dispatcher didn’t always say what was on the clock at the time of the announcement.

https://www.jfk-online.com/bowles1.html#ref

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #133 on: May 03, 2022, 05:41:30 AM »
Yes, Markham was a very important eyewitness, she positively identified Oswald as the killer of J D Tippit.

Biased, unfair lineups are unreliable. Also she told Joseph Ball several times that she didn’t recognize anybody in the lineup.

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Markham's clock was never independently verified as being accurate

Neither were the dispatcher time announcements.

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As much as the CT's try to manipulate the approximate times for the Tippit murder, the end result is that Oswald was positively identified and he left shells at the scene which exclusively matched his revolver.

Bull. Shells that you cannot demonstrate came from the scene, that you cannot demonstrate were dropped by Tippit’s killer, and that you cannot demonstrate had anything to do with Tippit’s murder matched a revolver that you cannot demonstrate was ever in Oswald’s possession.
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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #134 on: May 03, 2022, 05:43:34 AM »
All one has to do is listen to the police tapes and it is painfully obvious that Butler reported "602" as they were taking off for Methodist.

What makes this “obvious”. Serious question. All he says is “602”.

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Re: Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?
« Reply #135 on: May 03, 2022, 05:44:45 AM »
After the Tippit shooting Scoggins tried multiple times to get his dispatcher's attention and finally had a conversation lasting a couple of minutes and the recorded time was 1:23. 

Let’s see the record.

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« Reply #135 on: May 03, 2022, 05:44:45 AM »