All one has to do is listen to the police tapes and it is painfully obvious that Butler reported "602" as they were taking off for Methodist.
Therefore the assumption (if indeed it was an assumption) that Butler was attempting to report that they were on their way to the hospital is an assumption based on what the evidence tells us.
And if I were you, I'd be careful of attacking Myers and/or Bugliosi. Just a year and a half ago (not three years ago as you mistakenly claimed earlier in this thread), you believed Callaway had the killer fleeing down the alley, for some reason. I'm positive Myers and/or Bugliosi never believed such nonsense.
All one has to do is listen to the police tapes and it is painfully obvious that Butler reported "602" as they were taking off for Methodist. Painfully obvious? To whom?.... Your opinion isn't evidence.
Therefore the assumption (if indeed it was an assumption) that Butler was attempting to report that they were on their way to the hospital is an assumption based on what the evidence tells us.An assumption based on a flawed interpretation of what the evidence (you mean the police tapes, right?) tell us....
Wow! You seem to be struggling to understand what the difference is between evidence and your opinion.
Callaway is on record, at least three times, confirming that he used the radio first and then helped to load Tippit into the ambulance. Butler has stated, to George and Patricia Nash, in 1964, that he tried to call the dispatcher to let him know the victim was as police officer. He also said that after his failed attempt he returned to Tippit, who was still lying in the street. The audio recording of the DPD radio shows that Butler (ambulance 602) tried to call twice and that there were only 8 seconds between both failed attempts.
Whether you like it or not,
that's actual evidence.On the other hand,
nowhere do Benavides, Bowley or Scoggins say that Callaway helped to load Tippit into the ambulance before making his call. What you have presented are some quotes which you incorrectly interpret as being confirmation that Callaway made his call after Tippit was in the ambulance.
Whether you like it or not,
your interpretations are not evidence.And if I were you, I'd be careful of attacking Myers and/or Bugliosi. Just a year and a half ago (not three years ago as you mistakenly claimed earlier in this thread), you believed Callaway had the killer fleeing down the alley, for some reason. I'm positive Myers and/or Bugliosi never believed such nonsense.So, now you combine an appeal to preceived authority with an attack on me, based on an erroneous comment I made? Way to go.... Classic Brown!
I wonder what happened to you moving on;
More than erroneous. You made an outlandish statement. Callaway never said such a thing. But okay.
And YES, it does matter. It's directly related to when Callaway would have began his "good hard run".
But that's fine. You've admitted your error and I can move on.
It sure didn't take long for you to bring it up again. So much for "moving on"
I'm sure in your perfect little world nobody ever makes a mistake and knows everything straight away up front so that they don't have to make mistakes and learn from them, right?
Myers and/Bugliosi believe a hell of a lot more nonsense than you will ever be willing to admit, as you believe that same nonsense too.
But as we are on the subject of errors;
The police tapes obviously don't mention the body being loaded into the ambulance, but the tapes do tell us when the ambulance was leaving the scene en route to Methodist Hospital. The tapes tell us that the ambulance was leaving the scene as Callaway was making his report on the squad car radio.
602 (ambulance): 602.
Dispatcher: 85.
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker): 85.
Dispatcher: Suspect running west on Jefferson from the location.
85 (Ptm. R.W. Walker): 10-4.
Dispatcher: No physical description.
Citizen (Callaway): Hello, hello, hello.
602 (ambulance): 602.
Citizen (Callaway): Pardon, from out here on Tenth Street, 500 block. This officer just shot. I think he's dead.
Dispatcher: 10-4. We have that information. The citizen using the radio: Remain off the radio now.
That "602" was Butler attempting to let dispatch know that they were leaving the scene en route to the hospital. However, he could not get through because Callaway is on the squad car radio reporting the incident (as the ambulance is speeding off).
When I pointed out that Butler said he was calling the dispatcher to let him know that the victim was a police officer, you changed your story;
Kinsley and Butler took the stretcher out of the ambulance and rolled Tippit's body over (Tippit was lying on his belly). Once the body was rolled over, Callaway picked up the service revolver (which was underneath the body) and placed it on the hood of the patrol car. Then, Callaway helped Kinsley place the body onto the stretcher. Callaway, Kinsley and a couple others then loaded the stretcher into the ambulance.
Then, this:
Dispatcher: "85" (this is the dispatcher calling out for Officer Roy Walker, 85)
J.C. Butler: "602" (this is the ambulance driver, Butler, calling in trying to get hold of the dispatcher)
Dispatcher: "85" (this is the dispatcher still trying to reach Walker)
Roy Walker: "85" (this is Walker replying to the dispatcher, who was calling out for him)
Dispatcher: "Suspect running west on Jefferson, the location." (this is the dispatcher telling Walker where the suspect was last seen)
Walker: "10-4" (this is Walker acknowledging that he received that information from the dispatcher)
While the above was going on between the dispatcher and Walker ...... J.C. Butler (ambulance driver, 602) radioed in to let the police dispatcher know that the shooting victim was a police officer.
Around 1:19:45 to 1:19:55, Officer Kenneth Croy arrived on the scene still in uniform but in an unmarked car (he was in his personal vehicle). Croy arrived in time to see them loading the body into the ambulance.
The ambulance was loaded and Butler & Kinsley began to drive from the scene. As they pulled away, Butler got on the radio to inform the police dispatcher that the were en route to the hospital. However, Butler could not get through because it was at this time that Callaway was on the patrol car radio reporting the shooting to the police dispatcher:
Callaway: "Hello. Hello. Hello." (Callaway calling out for the police dispatcher)
Butler: "602" (ambulance driver Butler, 602, trying to call for the dispatcher)
Callaway: "Calling from right here on Tenth Street, 500 block, this police officer's just shot, I think he's dead."
Dispatcher: "10-4. We have the information. The citizen using the radio will remain off the radio now."
So, then the story became that the first "602" was to let the dispatcher know the victim was an officer and the second "602" was to allegedly inform the dispatcher that the ambulance was leaving. Were you wrong when you made the first comment, Bill?
Btw, never mind that between the first and second "602" calls there were only 8 seconds!
And let's also consider this contradiction;
According to you, Myers wrote on page 162 of "Without Malice";
"I ran over to the squad car," Callaway recalled, "I didn't know if anybody reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them."Om the other hand, again according to you, Bugliosi wrote on page 84 of "Reclaiming history";
"Ted Callaway can hear the confusion and desperation of the police over Tippit's car radio as they struggle to locate the scene of the officer's shooting. He lowers his big frame into the patrol car and grabs the mike, "Hello, hello, hello!" Both can't be right. Either Callaway made his call because he did not know it had already been called in, as Myers claims, or he heard the confusion of the police over the police radio (which means they knew about it, so it had already been called in), as Bugliosi claimed.
So, which of these two amazing experts was wrong?
