Brown/Weidmann, Mini-Debate?

[Martin Weidmann]

And who said the purpose of the discussion about Callaway and the ambulance was to “cast doubt on Oswald’s guilt”? There would be no need to to “cast doubt on Oswald’s guilt” because doubt is already there. In spades.

And who said the purpose of the discussion about Callaway and the ambulance was to “cast doubt on Oswald’s guilt”?

That would be that one guy with a paranoid mind, "Richard Smith", who is so obsessed with Oswald's perceived guilt that he feels a compulsive need to see any discussion as a threat to his belief. Kinda sad, really.

[Richard Smith]

And who said the purpose of the discussion about Callaway and the ambulance was to “cast doubt on Oswald’s guilt”?

That would be that one guy with a paranoid mind, "Richard Smith", who is so obsessed with Oswald's perceived guilt that he feels a compulsive need to see any discussion as a threat to his belief. Kinda sad, really.

Do you think a single person who has ever read your tortured contrarian efforts to cast doubt on Oswald's guilt believes for one second that this pedantic analysis of a minor event is just to contribute our to general knowledge?  LOL.  I've truly heard it all.  This is just a furtherance of your lazy effort to be a CTer without ever taking any position.  But let's put it to the test.  Do you think the timeline casts doubt on Oswald's presence at the moment Tippit was murdered or not?  Despite the overwhelming evidence including multiple witnesses who confirm his presence on a public street in broad daylight at the scene. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Do you think a single person who has ever read your tortured contrarian efforts to cast doubt on Oswald's guilt believes for one second that this pedantic analysis of a minor event is just to contribute our to general knowledge?  LOL.  I've truly heard it all.  This is just a furtherance of your lazy effort to be a CTer without ever taking any position.  But let's put it to the test.  Do you think the timeline casts doubt on Oswald's presence at the moment Tippit was murdered or not?  Despite the overwhelming evidence including multiple witnesses who confirm his presence on a public street in broad daylight at the scene.

Do you think a single person who has ever read your tortured contrarian efforts to cast doubt on Oswald's guilt believes for one second that this pedantic analysis of a minor event is just to contribute our to general knowledge?

Who said it was to contribute to general knowledge? Bill Brown and I were just having a discussion when you jumped in with all your usual of topic BS. We didn't ask for anybody's opinion. So, why don't you ask Bill Brown, since he brought it up with the erroneous assertion that Callaway helped load Tippit into the ambulance before he made his call. He might have a different take on this.

Btw, as far as contributions go, I'm pretty sure not one of your post has ever made any kind of significant contribution to any discussion on this forum. But then, that's not what you are here for, right?

This is just a furtherance of your lazy effort to be a CTer without ever taking any position.

Unlike you, who has taken a position but has never been able to support it with evidence or defend or even explain it.... 

Do you think the timeline casts doubt on Oswald's presence at the moment Tippit was murdered or not?

The timeline as a whole? It surely has evidentiary value, if that's what you mean, but why am I saying this to you when you are clearly absolutely clueless about the significance of actual evidence.

Despite the overwhelming evidence including multiple witnesses who confirm his presence on a public street in broad daylight at the scene.

Although I will probably not get an answer, let me ask you three questions;

1. Do you have any idea how many people in the country have been wrongfully convicted based on flawed and incorrect eye-witness identifications?

2. Do you think it is plausible or even possible for two people, who get everything else wrong, to positively identify a man who they have only seen for a couple of seconds as he ran by their front door?

3. Do you really believe that all those witness identifications of Oswald would stand up under scrutiny by a competent defense lawyer?

[John Iacoletti]

Despite the overwhelming evidence including multiple witnesses who confirm his presence on a public street in broad daylight at the scene.

“Including”? What other evidence do you have besides the unfair, biased lineups that demonstrate his “presence at the scene”? It doesn’t take much to overwhelm you.

[Bill Brown]

So, why don't you ask Bill Brown, since he brought it up with the erroneous assertion that Callaway helped load Tippit into the ambulance before he made his call.

Erroneous?  Hey now.

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald line-up candidate, anyone?

[Bill Brown]

Oswald line-up candidate, anyone?

[Martin Weidmann]

Erroneous?  Hey now.

Ok, here's the timeline again, based on the actual audio recording;

57:28:67 Bowley starts his call
58:14:42 Bowley ends his call (being told to stay of the radio)

58:24:35 Ambulance 602 calls Code 5 (en route)
58:41:85 Ambulance 602 calls Code 6 (for wrong location at Jefferson)
58:48:40 Ambulance 602 asks dispatcher for address on Jefferson - Dispatcher replies: 501 Tenth Street
59:02:85 Ambulance 602 calls Code 6 (for arrival at Tippit scene)

59:30:99 Ambulance 602 tries to get attention of the dispatcher by calling "602"

59:40:98 Callaway starts his call

59:42:85 Ambulance 602 tries again to get the attention of the dispatcher by calling "602"

We know for a fact that Callaway had not yet arrived at the scene when Bowley finished his call. We also know that he arrived on the scene shortly before the ambulance did. This means that Callaway must have arrived at the scene between 58:14:42 and 59:02:85.

We also know that Callaway said that when he arrived at the scene, he first went to check on the victim before he went to the police car to use the radio. He made his call at 59:40:98, which is roughly 38 seconds after the Code 6 call by the ambulance, at 59:02:85.

Although this can not be said with 100% certainty, it's highly likely that when Butler made the Code 6 call, he was still driving the ambulance towards the location. The alternative would be that he first stopped the ambulance and then made the Code 6, but that would only mean a loss of possibly valuable seconds.

So, if Butler did indeed make his Code 6 call at 59:02:85, it would have taken him - I assume - another 10 to 15 seconds to stop the car, near the victim, and get out of the ambulance.

Butler told George and Patricia Nash that he went to check on the victim. When she saw that it was a police officer he returned to the ambulance to let the dispatcher know that the victim was a police officer. In his book, Myers, accepts this actually happened and so did you earlier in this thread. The audio timeline shows this call (the first unanswered "602") took place at 59:30:99, so roughly 28 seconds after the Code 6 call.

Only 10 seconds later, at 59:40:98, Callaway makes his radio call.

All this justifies the question when exactly was there time for Callaway (and Bowley) to help load Tippit into the ambulance before Callaway made his call?

If your assertion is not erroneous, you should be able to answer this question, right?