A Rock Solid Alibi.....

[John Iacoletti]

Put up or shut up, "Richard".  What Dallas radio station was live broadcasting the motorcade progress?

[Richard Smith]

Ouija board please tell us which station Mr. Reid was listening to on Nov. 22, 1963.  LOL.  The classic contrarian standard.  They make a claim (i.e. there was no radio broadcast reporting the progress of the motorcade).  The claim is directly refuted by the evidence (i.e. a witness confirms that her husband was listening to the "the radio" "as the parade progressed" and learned it was running late).  Instead of acknowledging the obvious implication, they move on to absurdities.  Tell us which station pr maybe his "radio" was a police scanner and on and on and on down the rabbit hole.  Another witness in Dealey Plaza tells us he overheard motorcade progress reports via the radio of a police motorcycle parked on the street near the TSBD.  The contrarians claim this broadcast could not be heard through an open window in the adjacent building for some inexplicable reason. 

Mr. BFLIN. Now, Mrs. Reid, you left lunch about what time?
Mrs. REID. Well, I left, I ate my lunch hurriedly, I wasn’t watching the time but I wanted to be sure of getting out on the streets in time for the parade before he got there, and I called my husband, who works at the records building, and they had a radio in their offlce and they were listening as the parade progressed and he told me they were running about 10 minutes late.  But I went down rather soon and stood on the steps.

[Walt Cakebread]

You cited Rowland's testimony that he was on Elm and Main to conclude that he was "far away" from the TSBD.  There is no such location.  Therefore, somehow concluding it was too far away from the TSBD to hear the police radio broadcast demonstrates a profound bias on your part.  Can you understand that?  You concluded that a nonexistent location was too "far away" to hear the radio.  LOL.  Then once you sorted out his actual location, you started making baseless claims like 150 feet is too far away to hear a radio broadcast in an open space.  A completely baseless claim.  Then you asked me to disprove your baseless claim.  Wow.  Then it got even better.  After claiming there was no radio broadcast of the motorcade progress, you concluded that when Mrs. Reid's husband informed her that he had been listening to the radio and was informed that the motorcade was running behind schedule, that his office "radio" was actually a police scanner!  HA HA HA.  This is 1963.  Do you believe he had access to a time machine and ordered it from Amazon?  Another completely baseless and ridiculous interpretation of a 1963 office radio.

You cited Rowland's testimony that he was on Elm and Main to conclude that he was "far away" from the TSBD.  There is no such location. 

Mr "Smith" your desperation obvious.  Whether Rowland knew the names of the streets or simply mis-spoke is irrelevant because he pointed out on a map the place where he and his wife were standing. And you're a utter fool if you actually believe that anybody in the TSBD could have heard the radio on the DPD motorcycle that was parked on Houston street, about half way between Elm and Main streets.

[Jerry Freeman]

You cited Rowland's testimony that he was on Elm and Main to conclude that he was "far away" from the TSBD.  There is no such location. 

Mr "Smith" your desperation obvious.  Whether Rowland knew the names of the streets or simply mis-spoke is irrelevant because he pointed out on a map the place where he and his wife were standing. And you're a utter fool if you actually believe that anybody in the TSBD could have heard the radio on the DPD motorcycle that was parked on Houston street, about half way between Elm and Main streets.

How about---The snipers yelled down at the cop and asked him to turn his radio up?

[Richard Smith]

You cited Rowland's testimony that he was on Elm and Main to conclude that he was "far away" from the TSBD.  There is no such location. 

Mr "Smith" your desperation obvious.  Whether Rowland knew the names of the streets or simply mis-spoke is irrelevant because he pointed out on a map the place where he and his wife were standing. And you're a utter fool if you actually believe that anybody in the TSBD could have heard the radio on the DPD motorcycle that was parked on Houston street, about half way between Elm and Main streets.

Yes, only about 150 feet from the TSBD.  Not far at all from where Old Ozzie was sitting behind his open window.  He could hear the noise from the street below him.  Did he hear the police progress reports?  No idea.  Only Oswald knows for sure.  No reason that he needed too, though, since he knew the approximate time and most such events do run behind schedule.  We have certainly come a long way from the original claim that only a top-secret team could know the motorcade progress since there was no live updates to debating how far away such a broadcast in Dealey Plaza could be heard and what radio station Mr. Reid was listening to get such an update.  And there was TV coverage of the motorcade beginning at Love Field where most of the delay occurred. 

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, only about 150 feet from the TSBD.  Not far at all from where Old Ozzie was sitting behind his open window.  He could hear the noise from the street below him.  Did he hear the police progress reports?  No idea.  Only Oswald knows for sure.  No reason that he needed too, though, since he knew the approximate time and most such events do run behind schedule.  We have certainly come a long way from the original claim that only a top-secret team could know the motorcade progress since there was no live updates to debating how far away such a broadcast in Dealey Plaza could be heard and what radio station Mr. Reid was listening to get such an update.  And there was TV coverage of the motorcade beginning at Love Field where most of the delay occurred.

So now you're proposing that Lee Oswald and Bonnie Ray Williams were together on the sixth floor at the time that Arnold Rowland noticed a man with a rifle behind a sixth floor window.....  Is that right Mr "Smith" ?

[Martin Weidmann]

This is turning into another Adams-on-the-stairs connivance. The critics contend Adams' laterday CT-spun account precludes Oswald using the stairs immediately after the shooting. Now Oswald needs a police radio or be near one to gauge whether the motorcade was still on.

But if Adams really went down the stairs as early as she claimed, it would only mean she was ahead of Oswald. Same with the radio straw man claim; Oswald in the SN wouldn't need it. He could see the streets still sealed off for the motorcade, policemen at the intersections and crowds waiting.

But if Adams really went down the stairs as early as she claimed, it would only mean she was ahead of Oswald.

For once you get something right. Well, kinda....If he was on the 6th floor, there is no way that Oswald - who would have needed to run roughly twice the distance Adams did, hide the rifle and go down two floors - could have beaten Adams and Styles to the stairs on the 4th floor. So, if he did come down the stairs, he would indeed have been behind the two women. But he wasn't as Dorothy Garner would have seen him! Rankin understood this, which is why Adams was not at the reconstruction and why the Stroud letter disappeared in Adams' file.

Same with the radio straw man claim; Oswald in the SN wouldn't need it. He could see the streets still sealed off for the motorcade, policemen at the intersections and crowds waiting.

The radio claim came from Richard Smith. It was his straw man! Just like his (and your) pathetic claim that Oswald, in the SN, could have seen Jarman and Norman walk around the building.

[Martin Weidmann]

The Shroud letter is hearsay with no specifics. Styles said it was more like minutes than seconds when they left the window and even then they first went to the passenger elevator.

Wishful thinking from a desperate person who doesn't want to deal with the obvious truth.

The Stroud letter was an official cover letter from the office of a United States Attorney who confirms that "Miss Garner, Miss Adams' supervisor stated this morning....." That's not hearsay. It's a letter of one of the highest Federal law enforcement officers confirming to the General Counsel of the Warren Commission what a potential witness has said. It was not up the Barefoot Sanders or Martha Stroud to collect or provide more details. That would have been the responsibility of Rankin, who did in fact had somebody contact Garner briefly and then decided to bury the letter!

As for Styles, she said many different things. There is nothing consistent in anything she has said. In one interview she even acknowledged that she may have misremembered and that Vicky Adams was right all along. The bottom line is that her statements are unreliable and worthless. And of course, it's extremely telling that you, an LN, would prefer to go with whatever Styles said, not because it might be true but simply because it serves your purpose.

You may want to consider this; Styles was photographed in front of the main entrance of the TSBD at approx 12:36, just minutes before the building was locked down. It would have taken her and Adams less than a minute go down the stairs and leave the building at the loading dock in the back (which is why they did not run into Truly and Baker). It took them another two to three minutes to walk towards the railroad yard, pass the TSBD extension and walk down Elm street towards the main entrance. So, if you believe that Styles and Adams left the 4th floor later, this is the question you need to answer;

How did Styles get in front of a camera at the front of the building at roughly 12:36, having needed some 4 minutes to go down the stairs, leave the building and walk to the front, without running into Truly and Baker if they left any later than one minute after the shots?

For Richard, it's only a possibly:

    "No one is saying that Oswald definitively heard the police reports of the motorcade
      progress.  Only Oswald could know that.  He certainly could have, however."

    "He could hear the noise from the street below him.  Did he hear the police progress
     reports?  No idea.  Only Oswald knows for sure.  No reason that he needed too, though,"

The straw-man goes back six days ado to Skeptic-Tank's "Only a team with radio communication would be able to relay the actual accurate progress of the motorcade." Just now, Richard wrote: "We have certainly come a long way from the original claim that only a top-secret team could know the motorcade progress"

I see, so that's why Richard is so desperate to cling to the "he could hear the radio of a motorcycle parked some 150 feet away" crap. Right, got it. Oswald also simply could not have been there at all to hear anything on any radio.... if we are going to argue "could have" BS.

Oswald from the SN window most certainly could have seen Norman and Jarman standing together on the sidewalk below. He then heard the two arrive below his window some minutes before the motorcade arrived. They were talking and throwing open windows. Unless Oswald had sight and hearing issues, I don't see any problem with that proposal.

You are so ignorant and you have clearly never been inside the building. There is no way in hell even the smallest part of the sidewalk running next to the building can be seen from the 6th floor window, unless the person was hanging out of the window with his entire torso. In fact, a person standing behind the window of the 6th floor would not even see the largest part of the Elm street extension directly in front of the building. But don't take my word for it, just look at this video (at 1:30)

The problem with your "proposal" is that you are making up stuff. Who said Jarman and Norman were "talking and throwing open windows"? You seem to be living in some sort of alternate reality where you can make up your own set of "facts". Come to think of it, it's completely beyond me why you don't like Trump, when the man should clearly be your hero.