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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2022, 05:19:53 PM »
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There are no witnesses, films or photos that place Oswald outside.

Since when is absence of evidence evidence of absence?



There is not an "absence of evidence."  There is an absence of Oswald.  LOL.  There are plenty of films and photos of Dealey Plaza during the motorcade.  They show the folks who WERE there.  Oswald is in none of them.  He was not the invisible man.  If he had stepped outside the TSBD to watch the motorcade, he would have showed up in one of those films or photos.  He did not.  He is "absent" because he was not there.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2022, 06:07:03 PM »
There is not an "absence of evidence."  There is an absence of Oswald.  LOL.  There are plenty of films and photos of Dealey Plaza during the motorcade.  They show the folks who WERE there.  Oswald is in none of them.  He was not the invisible man.  If he had stepped outside the TSBD to watch the motorcade, he would have showed up in one of those films or photos.  He did not.  He is "absent" because he was not there.

There is not an "absence of evidence."  There is an absence of Oswald.

Are you really this dumb, or just pretending to be?

There are plenty of films and photos of Dealey Plaza during the motorcade.  They show the folks who WERE there.

So, everybody who was at Dealey Plaza at that time can be seen on film or photo? Is that what you are rather stupidly trying to say? Really? How in the world would you even know this?

Oswald is in none of them. 

You've seen all of the films and photos, have you? And even if he is not in any of them, that still doesn't mean he wasn't there.

If he had stepped outside the TSBD to watch the motorcade, he would have showed up in one of those films or photos.

You can't be this dumb, can you?


But to apply your special kind of logic; there is no film or photo showing Oswald on the 6th floor of the TSBD at 12:30, so that means he wasn't there, right?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2022, 07:18:25 PM »
coworkers who saw him on the sixth floor,

Not after 12:00.

Or even before 12:00.  The elevator race guys said "5th or 6th".  Givens didn't come up with his "going back for cigarettes" story until April, 1964.  After Revill told Gemberling that he believed that Givens would change his story for money.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2022, 09:14:59 PM »
No person can reasonably believe that LHO, a person with a well-documented history of interest in politics, who checked out and read JFK's book from the library, wouldn't so much as go outside to watch the motorcade go by his workplace if he was innocent.

No reasonable person can call this evidence of murder.

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« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2022, 09:16:36 PM »
Oswald makes no mention of leaving the building to buy his lunch.  No one sees him do so.

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Nobody saw him shoot Kennedy either.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2022, 09:18:20 PM »
Yes, or maybe he lifted a piece of BRW's chicken.  It was fowl play.  A contrarian here once suggested that perhaps Oswald didn't sneak into the Texas Theatre without buying a ticket because no one could rule out that he bought a ticket in advance!  As though they had Fandango in 1963 and Oswald could somehow know in advance that he would be knocking off early for the movie that day after the president was assassinated from his building.  Nothing ever has to make sense.  The sole objective is to cast doubt on Oswald's guilt by any means.

Despite your lame attempt at ridicule, Julia Postal told both Brewer and the FBI that she wasn't sure if he bought a ticket or not.

Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2022, 10:52:32 PM »
There is not an "absence of evidence."  There is an absence of Oswald.  LOL.  There are plenty of films and photos of Dealey Plaza during the motorcade.  They show the folks who WERE there.  Oswald is in none of them.  He was not the invisible man.  If he had stepped outside the TSBD to watch the motorcade,

Ah, I see what you did there, Mr Smith. Mr Oswald didn't "step outside the TSBD", he went out the front door of the building without leaving the premises---------i.e. front steps.

Next you'll be telling us, as you and your Warren Gullible pals always do, that Mr Oswald told a pressman he was "inside the building at the time"  :D

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he would have showed up in one of those films or photos.  He did not.  He is "absent" because he was not there.

OK, show us Mr Roy Edward Lewis outside @ assassination-time. If you can't, I will conclude that you believe Mr Lewis was not there.

And show us Mr Bill Shelley. If you can't, I will conclude that you believe Mr Shelley was not there.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2022, 11:15:47 PM »
'The most obvious interpretation' lol

I wrote the following interpretation of Hosty's note regarding Oswald's movements in the TSBD:

The most obvious interpretation of this being [IMO] that after Oswald had been up to the second floor for a Coke, he went down to the first floor, finished his lunch then went outside to watch the parade."

If you disagree with this interpretation let's hear yours.

When I wrote - "IT DOES NOT SAY THAT HE SAW THE PARADE" - that is not an interpretation, it's a fact.

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No one else remembered Mr Oswald making such a statement. Indeed, Agent Bookhout follows Insp. Kelley in giving us Mr Oswald's answer to the two other questions Insp. Kelley put to Mr Oswald in that interrogation, but his report says NOT A WORD about a third question, still less Mr Oswald's answer to it. He knew better than to put any such statement in Mr Oswald's mouth.

As for what led Insp. Kelley to write what he wrote, it's either explained as
a) fabrication on Insp. Kelley's part to incriminate Mr Oswald
b) he asked Mr Oswald 'Did you see Pres. Kennedy get shot?' and Mr Oswald responded 'No I didn't' (as the limousine was out of sight)

Kelley reports that Oswald said he did not see the parade - that's a fact. You can make up whatever you want to try to make it go away.

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Again, 'I, Dan O'Meara, don't like this explanation' is not a substantial rebuttal

When it comes to your "standing on the front steps is the same as being in the building" shtick it's a question of "I, Alan Ford, have lost the plot."

Oswald is reported as saying he went outside to watch the parade but didn't see it. The explanation is that Oswald publicly states he was in the building at the time of the shooting. Your painful mental contortions to try to make this otherwise are of no use.

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He saw Messrs Norman & Jarman before he went outside to watch the P. Parade
Agreed.

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A rather odd argument to be coming from someone who believes, as you do, that numerous employees of the Depository lied about things that went down that day. Now you're suddenly telling us that Messrs Lovelady and Shelley were the soul of honesty? Really, Mr O'Meara?

Besides, if Mr Oswald nipped outside at the last minute to watch the P. Parade, he (being a nobody at that time) was in all likelihood noticed by few of the others on those steps.

Trying to use the unreliability of Lovelady and Shelley to discredit everyone else reveals your desperation. As does your insistence he wasn't noticed by the people he supposedly passed to get out of the front door, not to mention those employees who knew him by sight returning up the TSBD building steps.
For a nobody he seemed to make a very strong (and negative) impression on many of his fellow employees. Not one employee reports seeing Oswald on the steps. Not a single one.

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And the ridiculous magic shadow down Mr Lovelady, which neither I nor you nor anyone else can explain as a natural shadow, strongly suggests that he was noticed by the 'investigating' authorities who first checked out the Wiegman film:
Only in your imagination.



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