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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2022, 11:00:19 PM »
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Hearsay and without cross-examination.

    "Mr. Bellin was questioning Miss Adams about whether or not she
     saw anyone as she was running down the stairs. Miss Garner,
     Miss Adams' supervisor, stated this morning that after Miss Adams
     went downstairs she (Miss Garner) saw Mr. Truly and the policeman
     come up."

Exactly-------------the WC were afraid to look any more closely into this bombshell information from Ms Garner.

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Also Garner doesn't say here she saw Adams & Styles go down. She could have heard Truly and Baker coming up, and mistakenly thought it was the two women on the stairs.

Except she saw Mr Truly and the policeman come up. But nice try!  Thumb1:

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Garner might have missed Adams and Styles going down altogether. Styles said it more like minutes, then seconds before they left the window and that they first went to and waited on the passenger elevator.

You are cherry-picking the bits you like from what Ms Styles has actually said in recent years

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It's also possible that Garner saw the two girls enter the stairway and missed seeing Baker and Truly passing through the fourth floor a minute or so earlier.  Baker and Truly were back on the fourth, after having gone to the roof. Garner could have seen them then.

Nope---she saw Mr Truly and the policeman come up. But nice try!  Thumb1:

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None of this was asked of Garner

Exactly!  Thumb1:

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #152 on: August 04, 2022, 11:00:19 PM »


Offline Richard Smith

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #153 on: August 04, 2022, 11:18:19 PM »
75 seconds - lol.  As though the timing of these events can be known with scientific precision.

Scientific precision. No. It could of course be a few seconds more or less. But the 2nd lunchroom meeting took place when Truly and Baker got there and that wasn't much later than 75 seconds after the last shot.

And there is still nothing to have precluded Oswald from reaching the lunchroom in that timeframe.

There's only nothing as long as you keep ignoring the obvious truth. But then, that's par for course with you, isn't it?

Your fantasy shooter presumably has to get out of the entire building - not just down to the 2nd floor in the same timeframe. 

What makes you say something this stupid?

How about this?  Explain to us how you think your fantasy shooter on the 6th floor got out of the building unnoticed and how long it took him instead of deflecting with insults.  It's unclear why you believe Oswald - who worked in the building - could not have done this but some stranger could.  Just making vague references to "75 seconds" and "crowds" don't do that.

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2022, 11:26:16 PM »
How about this?  Explain to us how you think your fantasy shooter on the 6th floor got out of the building unnoticed and how long it took him instead of deflecting with insults.  It's unclear why you believe Oswald - who worked in the building - could not have done this but some stranger could.  Just making vague references to "75 seconds" and "crowds" don't do that.

Trying to explain anything to you has frequently proven to be a complete waste of time as you will either reject or ignore it anyway. So, why don't you try to figure it out by yourself.

But I will tell you this; unless you believe the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter didn't happen, Oswald must have been on the second floor within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot. He would not have had the luxury and ability of being able to hang around on the 6th floor and mingle with the many law enforcement officers that flooded the floor, pretending to be one of them and simply walking away. Oswald, or any other TSBD employee, on the 6th floor would have stood out in much the same way Oswald did to Baker on the 2nd floor.

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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2022, 11:32:28 PM »
Trying to explain anything to you has frequently proven to be a complete waste of time as you will either reject or ignore it anyway. So, why don't you try to figure it out by yourself.

But I will tell you this; unless you believe the 2nd floor lunchroom encounter didn't happen, Oswald must have been on the second floor within roughly 75 seconds after the last shot. He would not have had the luxury and ability of being able to hang around on the 6th floor and mingle with the many law enforcement officers that flooded the floor, pretending to be one of them and simply walking away. Oswald, or any other TSBD employee, on the 6th floor would have stood out in much the same way Oswald did to Baker on the 2nd floor.

You want me to figure out your theory?  Wow.  You must have a lot of confidence in it if you won't even tell us what you are suggesting.  There is absolutely nothing that precludes Oswald from being the shooter and being in the lunchroom within the relevant timeframe to encounter Baker.  How long do you think it takes to walk down a few floors of stairs?  You are really suggesting that the assassin hung around on the 6th floor and waited for law enforcement to arrive to somehow blend in!  That is one of the most baseless and bizarre claims in history.  Not a single person ever claimed to have encountered this individual.  Honestly, I would be embarrassed to peddle this weak nonsense. 

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2022, 11:56:52 PM »
You want me to figure out your theory?  Wow.  You must have a lot of confidence in it if you won't even tell us what you are suggesting.  There is absolutely nothing that precludes Oswald from being the shooter and being in the lunchroom within the relevant timeframe to encounter Baker.  How long do you think it takes to walk down a few floors of stairs?  You are really suggesting that the assassin hung around on the 6th floor and waited for law enforcement to arrive to somehow blend in!  That is one of the most baseless and bizarre claims in history.  Not a single person ever claimed to have encountered this individual.  Honestly, I would be embarrassed to peddle this weak nonsense.

There is absolutely nothing that precludes Oswald from being the shooter and being in the lunchroom within the relevant timeframe to encounter Baker.

This exactly what I was talking about. It has been explained to you over and over again and still you ignore the information and come up with the same bogus claim

How long do you think it takes to walk down a few floors of stairs?

You forgot the part where Oswald had to run in a straight line to the back of the building and then run the same distance from east to west to get to the stairs. Or are you under the impression that Oswald was standing next to the stairs entrance when the shots were fired?

You are really suggesting that the assassin hung around on the 6th floor and waited for law enforcement to arrive to somehow blend in!

I know by now that it's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I am suggesting nothing. I'm merely considering possible options. Are you of the opinion that something like that could not have happened? Are you really so naive? Hiding in the open is very often the best option.

That is one of the most baseless and bizarre claims in history.  Not a single person ever claimed to have encountered this individual.

Here you go again.... Nobody claimed to have encountered Oswald on the 6th floor either. So what? The whole purpose of hiding in a crowd is not to get noticed.

Honestly, I would be embarrassed to peddle this weak nonsense.

As peddling weak nonsense goes, you should be embarrassed every day of the week, but being a Trump follower you probably won't as peddling nonsense is par for the course for that cult.

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« Reply #156 on: August 04, 2022, 11:56:52 PM »


Offline Rick Plant

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #157 on: August 05, 2022, 12:18:38 AM »
You mean the same Frazier who was arrested later that day for possible complicity and who Fritz demanded he'd sign a pre-written confession, despite the fact that he was standing on the steps and appears in films and photos?

Until this day nobody has ever positively identified the person they now call PM. He was clearly there, so why did nobody confirm who it was? Could it be they were all focused on other things and simply didn't observe him? Many people simply do not notice things or people that are close to them and many also simply do not recollect information.

The employees were focused on watching the parade and had their backs at the Prayer Man. So, they clearly weren't paying attention to who was behind them on that day. Which is why the Prayer Man has never been identified. 

When people are out watching something they aren't looking around observing to see who is behind them.   

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #158 on: August 05, 2022, 12:23:10 AM »
It's hearsay. Garner apparently overheard Belin taking about the two men "coming up" and could have innocently incorporated that into when she actually saw them, when they returned from the roof. For that matter, Shroud could have added that sweetener.

Lol

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Neither Garner nor Shroud might have known about the return of Baker and Truly to the fourth floor, which one or both could have assumed was the only time they were on the floor.

The Shrould Letter just isn't that definitive; it has no times or specific places or a witness who saw Garner. Rather than go with your imaginative take on pure hearsay, go with the witnesses who were sworn in and who participated in the time trials. Adams would have her broke her neck trying to duplicate her fanciful madcap dash in three-inch heels. She would have reached the parking before the policeman who turned her back.

~Grin~

Translation: Thank God they never called Garner, otherwise I wouldn't be able to do this pseudo-logical-exploration thing I always do with uncongenial evidence
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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #159 on: August 05, 2022, 12:26:25 AM »
How about this?  Explain to us how you think your fantasy shooter on the 6th floor got out of the building unnoticed

The shooter did not get out of the building unnoticed:





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Re: A Rock Solid Alibi.....
« Reply #159 on: August 05, 2022, 12:26:25 AM »