Was the carcano, CE 139, painted black?

[Walt Cakebread]

Charles Collins posted this picture of CE 139.   It appears to have been painted black in the past.
   


This is very interesting.....   Because, before Benito  Mussolini was lynched, he was Il Duce.   And he had a special, elite, corps of body guards.  Those elite body guards had special and very distinctive black uniforms. All of their equipment was highly polished black....boots, belts, helmets, etc. 

Their rifles were the carcano model 91/ 38 short rifle , ( the same model as CE 139) ) The wooden stocks of those rifle were lacquered with a gloss black lacquer ..... They are very very rare and I don't believe that there is one in the US.   ..... BUT.... CE 139 does appear to be one of those carcanos....   

Does anybody know of a very detailed description of CE 139?

[Gerry Down]

I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.

[Walt Cakebread]

I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.

It was originally brown I'd imagine.

Yes, that would be a fair assumption..... But Mussolini may have ordered the rifles for his "Guardie Del Duce"  lacquered in gloss black, from the factory. THAT  is the basic question.

WAS CE 139 ever stained brown?....  IF ?  IF? Ce 139 is actually a rifle of the Guardie Del Duce then the big question is... Where the hell did Lee Oswald get his hands on a very rare rifle?

[Charles Collins]

I think it's black from the fingerprint tests that were done on it. It was originally brown I'd imagine.

Day indicated that the wooden stock was too rough for useable fingerprints. I believe that only the metal parts were dusted. Also, take a look at the backyard photos. See how the wood compares with the black clothes…

[Charles Collins]

It was originally brown I'd imagine.

Yes, that would be a fair assumption..... But Mussolini may have ordered the rifles for his "Guardie Del Duce"  lacquered in gloss black, from the factory. THAT  is the basic question.

WAS CE 139 ever stained brown?....  IF ?  IF? Ce 139 is actually a rifle of the Guardie Del Duce then the big question is... Where the hell did Lee Oswald get his hands on a very rare rifle?

That’s a big if…

But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…

[Walt Cakebread]

That’s a big if…

But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…

If you're seeking entertainment .... read the posts by "Richard Smith".

[Walt Cakebread]

That’s a big if…

But I imagine that you will find a way to “prove” your idea. And invent another story for everyone’s entertainment…

Did we ever resolve the problem of the discrepancy between the Alyea film that shows the carcano lying on the floor and Lt  Day grabbing the leather sling and lifting the rifle FROM THE FLOOR  while the official DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes of books?

[Richard Smith]

Charles Collins posted this picture of CE 139.   It appears to have been painted black in the past.
   


This is very interesting.....   Because, before Benito  Mussolini was lynched, he was Il Duce.   And he had a special, elite, corps of body guards.  Those elite body guards had special and very distinctive black uniforms. All of their equipment was highly polished black....boots, belts, helmets, etc. 

Their rifles were the carcano model 91/ 38 short rifle , ( the same model as CE 139) ) The wooden stocks of those rifle were lacquered with a gloss black lacquer ..... They are very very rare and I don't believe that there is one in the US.   ..... BUT.... CE 139 does appear to be one of those carcanos....   

Does anybody know of a very detailed description of CE 139?

Whew.  Red rings, umbrella signals, and now Mussolini.  Maybe Mick and the boys can incorporate this latest fantasy into song:

I see a MC rifle
And I want it painted black
No colors anymore
I want them to turn black.