Jesse Curry Interviews Nov 1963

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald only made it to the 2nd floor before encountering the police.

True, if he was indeed on the 6th floor to begin with, that is.....

Oswald had a legitimate reason to be in building which is the only reason that he was allowed to escape

I would not call Baker letting Oswald go, after Truly vouched for him, an "escape".

Any other assassin would have to get out of the entire building without being seen.

Who said he needed to be not seen? He may well have been seen with people just not paying attention simply because he was one of many men who were inside the TSBD by then.

Thus, it was much easier for Oswald to reach the 2nd floor and then escape the building than for some stranger to get completely out of the building unnoticed.

Utter nonsense. If Oswald had come down the stairs within 75 seconds after the shots, he would have been seen by Dorothy Garner, who was standing next to the stairs on the 4th floor.
She heard Adams and Styles going down on the stairs and saw Baker and Truly come up. Somewhere inbetween these two events Oswald would have be passing the 4th floor. The reason Garner did not see him is simple; he didn't come down the stairs.

And are you really claiming there was no one on the 6th floor at 12:30?

It's possible.

The rifle seen pointing out the window at the moment of the assassination was being held by a ghost. 

What rifle would that be? Euins only saw a pipe and the Z-film shows that Brennan was watching the motorcade when the shots were being fired. He later lied about that of course..

And repeating the 75 second estimate as though it is absolute is weak.  Even if you repeat it.  No one knows the exact timing but even 75 seconds doesn't preclude Oswald from reaching the lunchroom.

Do you have a reading problem? I never claimed the 75 seconds estimate to be absolute. This is what I said;

The only problem with the 75 seconds scenario is that there is no way for him to pass by the 4th floor without Dorothy Garner seeing him. The WC solved the problem by not calling Garner to testify and discredit Victoria Adams with a outrageous and physically impossible bogus claim.

And how do your fantasy conspirators obtain Oswald's rifle in the first place to plant it?

Try to assume for a second that it wasn't Oswald's rifle at all and you may arrive at an answer.

How do they get to the 6th floor to plant the rifle, shells, and bag and escape unnoticed?

What bag? The one that wasn't there when the first six officers got into the sniper's nest? The one that doesn't show up on any in situ crime scene photo?
And which shells? The ones Fritz picked up or the ones he threw down?

And as for the rifle (and this will freak you out), what if it wasn't planted until after the shooting? Within minutes after the shooting you've got law enforcement with rifles running up the stairs. There are photos showing this. Nobody would notice an extra rifle carried by another guy in a suit. Once he gets to the 6th floor he just dumps the rifle behind the first set of boxes he encounters. I'm sure you're going to find it incredible, impossible and whatever more, but that doesn't interest me much. What would interest me is this; if you claim it couldn't have happened, then explain for once why it couldn't have happened instead of simply dismissing it out of hand as per usual.

Euins only saw a pipe
_ Calm down: Seems you have a bit of a 'trigger finger' today
   Hey, maybe what Euins actually saw was a blowgun, not a pipe.
   Or a curtain rod

[John Iacoletti]

In addition, your claim that he could not have reached that location unnoticed is baseless since the exact timing of the participants is unknowable and based of recollections that are not precise to the second.

So you can’t explain how it could have happened, you just know it did.

Brilliant as always.

[Richard Smith]

Unknowable - not able to be known.

[Martin Weidmann]

Officer Baker wore motorcycle boots, which would have made quite a racket on the stairs.

So much so that Garner, if she really was in the back room that early, could have thought it was Adams and Styles descending. The noise then stops for awhile (Baker confronting assassin Oswald) and then resumes, getting louder until Garner sees the two men run through the fourth floor. This round of noise on the staircase she correctly attributes to Truly and Baker.

Meanwhile Adams and Styles are over at the passenger elevator; they cross the fourth floor while Garner is busy looking out the windows or has gone back to her office.

You're a funny man...

Garner told Barry Ernest that the girls ran out of the office, through the back door, and she followed them seconds later. When she got to the stairs the girls were gone. What happened, Jerry? Did they just disappear in a puff of smoke?

Meanwhile Adams and Styles are over at the passenger elevator; they cross the fourth floor while Garner is busy looking out the windows or has gone back to her office.

Nice bit of speculation. Too bad it doesn't work and it contradicts what Garner actually said. Styles was photographed in front of the main entrance of the TSBD at around 12:36 and went back into the building just before it was locked down. This could never have happened if the girls had left the 4th floor later than Adams said all along. So, how do you explain that? Can't wait to read your response...

[Richard Smith]

Euins only saw a pipe
_ Calm down: Seems you have a bit of a 'trigger finger' today
   Hey, maybe what Euins actually saw was a blowgun, not a pipe.
   Or a curtain rod

Imagine the contrarian explanation for someone sticking a "pipe" out the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination.  Unreal.  And they must have yelled "bang" really loud since the folks on the 5th floor thought there were gun shots above their heads.  Of course, the truly humorous thing about this claim is that whatever the kooks think is being held - a banana, hockey stick. pipe etc. - it must be held by a person who was on the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination.  And a rifle barrel is "pipe" shaped.  Nevertheless, Martin uses this example to suggest it was "possible" that no one was on the 6th floor.   HA HA HA.   Comedy gold.

[Martin Weidmann]

Unknowable - not able to be known.

Yet you claim to know, because you claim that Oswald made it down the stairs without Garner seeing him.
In other words, you somehow "know" that Garner wasn't in a position to see him as he came down.

Amazing....

[Richard Smith]

Yet you claim to know, because you claim that Oswald made it down the stairs without Garner seeing him.
In other words, you somehow "know" that Garner wasn't in a position to see him as he came down.

Amazing....

Wisdom comes slow.  The evidence places Oswald in the SN at 12:30 and in the lunchroom when Baker enters.   I don't claim to know the movements of Oswald and other folks in the building down to the exact second because those individuals themselves did not have that level of knowledge.  However, you have tried to take witness testimony and graft it to an outcome that you desire.  And using that subjective analysis of the testimony to rebut the actual evidence left at the crime scene.  Nothing you have claimed precludes Oswald from being the assassin and being in the 2nd floor lunchroom.  You repeat the same speculative interpretation of the testimony as a fact.  The movements of these parties down to the level of time that you are suggesting (seconds) is unknowable from their recollection of events.   

[Walt Cakebread]

Oswald only made it to the 2nd floor before encountering the police.

True, if he was indeed on the 6th floor to begin with, that is.....

Oswald had a legitimate reason to be in building which is the only reason that he was allowed to escape

I would not call Baker letting Oswald go, after Truly vouched for him, an "escape".

Any other assassin would have to get out of the entire building without being seen.

Who said he needed to be not seen? He may well have been seen with people just not paying attention simply because he was one of many men who were inside the TSBD by then.

Thus, it was much easier for Oswald to reach the 2nd floor and then escape the building than for some stranger to get completely out of the building unnoticed.

Utter nonsense. If Oswald had come down the stairs within 75 seconds after the shots, he would have been seen by Dorothy Garner, who was standing next to the stairs on the 4th floor.
She heard Adams and Styles going down on the stairs and saw Baker and Truly come up. Somewhere inbetween these two events Oswald would have be passing the 4th floor. The reason Garner did not see him is simple; he didn't come down the stairs.

And are you really claiming there was no one on the 6th floor at 12:30?

It's possible.

The rifle seen pointing out the window at the moment of the assassination was being held by a ghost. 

What rifle would that be? Euins only saw a pipe and the Z-film shows that Brennan was watching the motorcade when the shots were being fired. He later lied about that of course..

And repeating the 75 second estimate as though it is absolute is weak.  Even if you repeat it.  No one knows the exact timing but even 75 seconds doesn't preclude Oswald from reaching the lunchroom.

Do you have a reading problem? I never claimed the 75 seconds estimate to be absolute. This is what I said;

The only problem with the 75 seconds scenario is that there is no way for him to pass by the 4th floor without Dorothy Garner seeing him. The WC solved the problem by not calling Garner to testify and discredit Victoria Adams with a outrageous and physically impossible bogus claim.

And how do your fantasy conspirators obtain Oswald's rifle in the first place to plant it?

Try to assume for a second that it wasn't Oswald's rifle at all and you may arrive at an answer.

How do they get to the 6th floor to plant the rifle, shells, and bag and escape unnoticed?

What bag? The one that wasn't there when the first six officers got into the sniper's nest? The one that doesn't show up on any in situ crime scene photo?
And which shells? The ones Fritz picked up or the ones he threw down?

And as for the rifle (and this will freak you out), what if it wasn't planted until after the shooting? Within minutes after the shooting you've got law enforcement with rifles running up the stairs. There are photos showing this. Nobody would notice an extra rifle carried by another guy in a suit. Once he gets to the 6th floor he just dumps the rifle behind the first set of boxes he encounters. I'm sure you're going to find it incredible, impossible and whatever more, but that doesn't interest me much. What would interest me is this; if you claim it couldn't have happened, then explain for once why it couldn't have happened instead of simply dismissing it out of hand as per usual.

What rifle would that be? Euins only saw a pipe and the Z-film shows that Brennan was watching the motorcade when the shots were being fired. He later lied about that of course..

It's easy to believe that Brennan lied....  But I don't believe he did in the immediate aftermath of the murder.

I believe his mind played tricks on him.... He knew that he'd seen a man aiming a rifle out of a sixth floor window just as Arnold Rowland had seen a man holding a rifle behind a window of the sixth floor minutes before the shooting.  Then with the confusion that reined after the shooting his mind simply tied the two events together.  Or he may have actually lied about seeing the man aiming the rifle out of the window during the shooting and he saw no harm or malice in saying that he saw the man aiming the rifle because he calculated that there was no harm in garnering a little fame.  As a matter of fact his wife give him hell when he got home that afternoon, because she said that she had seen him on TV and telling the reporter that he'd seen the man aiming the rifle out of the window.   His wife was upset because the killer was still on the loose and he had told the whole wide world that he could identify the man with the rifle.  Thereby placing himself and the family in danger.