Poll claims Oswald seen as ......

[Richard Smith]

No. Because here's why. If he was supposedly up there, he fired the last shot. He wiped down the boxes enough so only a partial [dubious] palm print was found on one of the boxes, after supposedly moving around several to build the nest. He's going to make an elaborate deal about hiding the gun so he can try to get away. Here's the so-called madman who supposedly had his wife take photos of him holding up the pistol, rifle and Commie newspapers, chest strutting outward. This guy wants to make a big big statement here.

Yet, when he actually does the shooting he wants to hide the gun but forgets to take the shells. Why bother, you know? But I digress. So he wipes down the gun well enough so that nothing is found on the gun. The gun has as sight on it that's not even aligned properly and he had no time to test fire before doing the deed.

Then he puts it between the boxes. Then he goes down and as part of his grand plan to escape undetected, instead of scooting right out the front door, he instead takes a detour to refresh himself by buying himself an ice cold Coca Cola.

If you and many others want to continue to believe that that's what happened that day, wonderful. But the above scenario makes absolutely no sense and goes against all natural inclination of how it was said it went down.

So again you want the simple answer, here it is. No.

Thanks Michael.  Hopefully you have set a precedent that others can follow by sticking to the issue and not engaging in a lot of personal commentary.   It's unknowable in my opinion as to whether Oswald wiped down the rifle and boxes.  Maybe he did, but I agree with you that the only apparent way that he could get from the 6th floor after the assassination to the 2nd floor lunchroom in time for the Baker encounter was to use the stairs.  There were only two apparent ways to descend from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor in the building.  By the stairs or elevator.  Martin believes his analysis of the evidence precludes the use of the stairs.  The elevators were still on the upper floors when Baker/Truly ascended the stairs from the 1st to 2nd floor.  There is no way that Oswald could have taken the elevator in that scenario to reach the 2nd floor lunchroom before Baker.  Yet Martin has so far denied that his conclusion that Oswald did not use the stairs precludes him being the assassin.  How he could get from the 6th floor to 2nd floor in this scenario is left unexplained.  A classic example of how contrarians can nitpick the evidence but refuse to accept the logical implication of their claim having validity.

[Richard Smith]

I didn't think you would be dumb enough to even try to reply, but it seems I was wrong.

You're lying again. I have never claimed that it is a demonstrable fact that Oswald did not use the stairs.

I don't know if Oswald had any other way of getting from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom nor do I even know if he was on the 6th floor at all. The total absence of any credible evidence leaves the possibility wide open that he wasn't and if he wasn't there nobody would have seen him coming down the stairs either.

And while we're on the subject of no answers; where is the evidence for your claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor, that he was the shooter and that he managed to go down the stairs unnoticed?

So now you think it is possible for Oswald to have used the stairs unnoticed to reach the lunchroom?  After going on and on to claim this was impossible based on the witness testimony ("he didn't come down the stairs").  Wow.  Take it up with the guy who wrote this under your name:

"If Oswald had come down the stairs within 75 seconds after the shots, he would have been seen by Dorothy Garner, who was standing next to the stairs on the 4th floor.
She heard Adams and Styles going down on the stairs and saw Baker and Truly come up. Somewhere inbetween these two events Oswald would have be passing the 4th floor. The reason Garner did not see him is simple; he didn't come down the stairs."

[Martin Weidmann]

Thanks Michael.  Hopefully you have set a precedent that others can follow by sticking to the issue and not engaging in a lot of personal commentary.   It's unknowable in my opinion as to whether Oswald wiped down the rifle and boxes.  Maybe he did, but I agree with you that the only apparent way that he could get from the 6th floor after the assassination to the 2nd floor lunchroom in time for the Baker encounter was to use the stairs.  There were only two apparent ways to descend from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor in the building.  By the stairs or elevator.  Martin believes his analysis of the evidence precludes the use of the stairs.  The elevators were still on the upper floors when Baker/Truly ascended the stairs from the 1st to 2nd floor.  There is no way that Oswald could have taken the elevator in that scenario to reach the 2nd floor lunchroom before Baker.  Yet Martin has so far denied that his conclusion that Oswald did not use the stairs precludes him being the assassin.  How he could get from the 6th floor to 2nd floor in this scenario is left unexplained.  A classic example of how contrarians can nitpick the evidence but refuse to accept the logical implication of their claim having validity.

There is no way that Oswald could have taken the elevator in that scenario to reach the 2nd floor lunchroom before Baker.  Yet Martin has so far denied that his conclusion that Oswald did not use the stairs precludes him being the assassin.  How he could get from the 6th floor to 2nd floor in this scenario is left unexplained.

Another day and again another strawman.

And not a trace of evidence for Richard's claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor and came down the stairs to the 2nd floor unnoticed. I don't think Oswald, or anybody else, could have come down the stairs unnoticed, directly after the shots, but, according to Richard, Oswald somehow managed to do exactly that. Too bad that Richard just can't explain how he managed to do that.....

[Richard Smith]

I don't know if Oswald had any other way of getting from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom nor do I even know if he was on the 6th floor at all. The total absence of any credible evidence leaves the possibility wide open that he wasn't and if he wasn't nobody would have seen him coming down the stairs either.

This is not rocket science.  There were only two ways to descend from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor - stairs or elevator.  You have cited witness testimony to conclude that Oswald could not have descended the stairs unnoticed.  The facts and circumstances also eliminate the elevators.  Thus, there is no conceivable way that Oswald could have reached the 2nd floor if he had been the assassin under your analysis.  I'm not even debating whether you are correct or not.  Just asking you to confirm that under your own analysis the only possible conclusion that can be drawn is that Oswald could not have been the assassin.  Why is that so hard?  You refuse to accept your own conclusion.  You are struggling against yourself not me.

[Richard Smith]

There is no way that Oswald could have taken the elevator in that scenario to reach the 2nd floor lunchroom before Baker.  Yet Martin has so far denied that his conclusion that Oswald did not use the stairs precludes him being the assassin.  How he could get from the 6th floor to 2nd floor in this scenario is left unexplained.

Another day and again another strawman.

And not a trace of evidence for Richard's claim that Oswald was on the 6th floor and came down the stairs to the 2nd floor unnoticed. I don't think Oswald, or anybody else, could have come down the stairs unnoticed, directly after the shots, but, according to Richard, Oswald somehow managed to do exactly that. Too bad that Richard just can't explain how he managed to do that.....

So now you are back to concluding that Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs contradicting your very last post.   Unreal.

[Martin Weidmann]

So now you think it is possible for Oswald to have used the stairs unnoticed to reach the lunchroom?  After going on and on to claim this was impossible based on the witness testimony ("he didn't come down the stairs").  Wow.  Take it up with the guy who wrote this under your name:

"If Oswald had come down the stairs within 75 seconds after the shots, he would have been seen by Dorothy Garner, who was standing next to the stairs on the 4th floor.
She heard Adams and Styles going down on the stairs and saw Baker and Truly come up. Somewhere inbetween these two events Oswald would have be passing the 4th floor. The reason Garner did not see him is simple; he didn't come down the stairs."

Mr. Misrepresentation strikes again.

So now you think it is possible for Oswald to have used the stairs unnoticed to reach the lunchroom?

Where exactly did I say that?

You can twist and turn all you want, but you are the one who claimed that Oswald came down the stairs unnoticed. I don't think that's possible, but if you can explain how he managed to do that, I might change my mind.

Ever since I asked you for this explanation for the first time, you've been doing a song and dance routine and tried every form of deflection. Why is that?

[Martin Weidmann]

So now you are back to concluding that Oswald couldn't have come down the stairs contradicting your very last post.   Unreal.

I've never changed my position once. You just keep on misrepresenting it. That's all.

[Martin Weidmann]

This is not rocket science.  There were only two ways to descend from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor - stairs or elevator.  You have cited witness testimony to conclude that Oswald could not have descended the stairs unnoticed.  The facts and circumstances also eliminate the elevators.  Thus, there is no conceivable way that Oswald could have reached the 2nd floor if he had been the assassin under your analysis.  I'm not even debating whether you are correct or not.  Just asking you to confirm that under your own analysis the only possible conclusion that can be drawn is that Oswald could not have been the assassin.  Why is that so hard?  You refuse to accept your own conclusion.  You are struggling against yourself not me.

there is no conceivable way that Oswald could have reached the 2nd floor if he had been the assassin under your analysis.

Simple question; do you agree with this analysis?

I'm not even debating whether you are correct or not

Of course you are not and it's pretty obvious why. You haven't got the guts to go there.

Just asking you to confirm that under your own analysis the only possible conclusion that can be drawn is that Oswald could not have been the assassin.

I am not in the habit of repeating myself time after time just because some clown keeps asking the same question over and over again. The implications of my observation are clear. If Oswald could not go down the stairs unnoticed, within roughly 75 seconds after the shots, and nobody did in fact see him, than it is unlikely he was even on the 6th floor. So, in order to establish if he was indeed on the 6th floor it needs to be explained how he could have managed to come down the stairs. Despite claiming that there was evidence for it, you have still not been able to provide a plausible explanation which, by implication, also means that you can't prove that he was on the 6th floor either.

You can't have the one without the other, at least not where Oswald is concerned. I've asked you time after time for a plausible explanation and you have not presented one. That says enough.