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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2022, 11:31:41 PM »
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Trump is a US citizen.  He has every right to run for president.  The voters get to decide.   That is how a democracy works.   If he has no chance, then why worry or concern yourself with him?  DeSantis shares almost every one of Trump's policies.  It doesn't make much difference to me which Republican wins the upcoming election so long as the current incompetents who have brought the country to ruin are defeated.  How can anyone suggest things are better today than under Trump two years ago?  Inflation is at record highs.   Gas prices are double.  Around five million unknown persons have crossed the open border with no end in sight.  The stock market has crashed.  Interest rates are skyrocketing leading to a recession.  Crime is out of control.  Homeless overrun our cities (which are too dangerous for any law-abiding person to walk the streets).  There is another endless foreign war costing us trillions.  But Trump is the concern?

Trump has the right to run again. And I have the right to criticize him. You seem to imply that my criticizing him deprives him of his rights.

If Trump has no chance, then why worry about him? Since none of his major election deniers got elected to a critical office, like to the Secretary of State office in the various states, I am worrying a lot less about this than I did a couple of weeks ago. And his supporters hopes that he might somehow get elected/selected should be greatly diminished. His best chance has just faded away.

Democracy's survival depends on the people's confidence and loyalty to Democracy. If this falters once, the chain of continuous Democracy can be broken. Germany's chain of Democracy was broken by one slip up by the German voters in 1932. A conscience decision by too many voters to vote for someone who was clearly an enemy of Democracy. That was all it took.

The institution of Democracy is a good deal more stable than it was in Germany in 1933, thanks to the loyalty to Democracy being strong throughout the government. Still, it is never a good idea to elect someone like Trump. Why flirt with disaster?

Despite tens of millions of Americans not being loyal to Democracy, Democracy continues to survive, but by a fair narrower margin than I feel comfortable with. I hope it continues to survive, in 2024, in 2026, in 2028 and beyond. I trust that it will. I think the high water mark of the assault on Democracy, from this generation, has come and gone. And the hopes of tyranny now rests on one old fat man in Florida who has to keep his most fervent supporters locked in to hear his entire speech announcing his candidacy.

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2022, 11:31:41 PM »


Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2022, 12:03:36 AM »

The out of power party almost always does very well in an off year election. Plus the economy is not as strong as it could be. What caused the Republican's to do so poorly? One reason above all others:

Fear that Trump may win the Republican nomination and election in 2024.

If Trump wins the Republican nomination in 2024, the danger will be that must closer. Instead of needing to win both the primaries and the election, Trump will now be just one step away. Voters will vote, not only against Trump, but also against Republican candidates for the House and Senate. As additional insurance, that if Trump somehow wins, he will get no support from Congress in any efforts to nullify future elections. The Republicans will be setting themselves up for a huge defeat.

Of course, this decision, to nominate Trump or not, is not up to the Republican leadership, but to the millions of Republican voters. If I was a Republican voter, I would be urging fellow Republicans not to do this. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. As the voters have gotten to know Trump better and better, they have turned against him more and more over time and there is no reason to think that this trend is going to reverse. It may be tempting to choice a course, that if it works out, you don't have to worry about losing elections in the future. But this is a course that is bound to fail, as it is also Un-American.

Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2022, 12:10:59 AM »
Trump said:
“In order to Make American Great And Glorious Again, I am tonight announcing my candidacy for President of the United States,”

If Trump wins, should the First Lady be referred to as Lady Ma-Ga-Ga?
« Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 12:12:32 AM by Joe Elliott »

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2023, 06:16:31 AM »
Mr. Trump is about to be indicted for espionage. 

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2023, 12:40:37 PM »
Mr. Trump is about to be indicted for espionage.

Imagine if Putin indicated his political rivals, staged tactical raids on political opponents and their homes, controlled the media with state sponsored propaganda, changed all the election laws just prior to the election in a way that ensured, his election and used the justice system to cover up his crimes and corruption.  These are Stasi-like times in America. 

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2023, 06:17:16 PM »
Imagine if Putin indicated his political rivals, staged tactical raids on political opponents and their homes, controlled the media with state sponsored propaganda, changed all the election laws just prior to the election in a way that ensured, his election and used the justice system to cover up his crimes and corruption.  These are Stasi-like times in America.

Except none of it has actually happened in the USA   Go figure!

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2023, 06:34:38 AM »
2 of Donald Trump's lawyers just quit. Even they know how bad this is. 

Trump loses two lawyers just hours after being indicted
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-loses-two-lawyers-just-hours-after-being-indicted-00101263

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2023, 08:39:19 AM »
Imagine if Putin indicated his political rivals, staged tactical raids on political opponents and their homes, controlled the media with state sponsored propaganda, changed all the election laws just prior to the election in a way that ensured, his election and used the justice system to cover up his crimes and corruption.  These are Stasi-like times in America.

Imagine the fake scenario you made up or deal with reality and facts?

Mr. Trump stole highly classified nuclear documents and stashed them at his residence refusing to give them back. That is illegal. Now he's been indicted for his serious crimes. That's called law and order.

Republicans claim to be "champions of law and order", but when Mr. Trump and other right wingers commit serious crimes, Republicans then whine and cry saying "law and order" should not be applied.               

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2023, 08:39:19 AM »