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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2023, 11:48:33 AM »
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We've known for several years now, that MAGA Republicans believe there should be a "special set of rules" for Mr. Trump where he can commit any crime he wants without having to face any prosecution for his illegal criminal actions.

So in MAGA World, their deranged belief is that Mr. Trump should be allowed to steal top secret nuclear documents and no charges should be brought against him by the DOJ, but they want Mr. Trump's political opponents to be prosecuted and jailed based on phony accusations and debunked conspiracy theories.

Mr. Trump was caught red handed stealing, hiding, and refusing to turn over top secret nuclear documents and other top secret classified documents that he had no business having at his residence. Mr. Trump was also showing off these highly sensitive documents to Republican donors and book ghostwriters who had no security clearance to view these highly classified documents. Mr. Trump is recorded on tape at his residence admitting these documents were NOT declassified when he left office but he was publicly lying for months that he already "declassified them".   

You would think these Trump supporters would say, "yeah that is bad, let Mr. Trump go through the justice system as any American would since he put our national security and American lives at risk".             

Nope, they don't do that at all. Instead, Trump supporters start attacking our justice system calling them the "Deep State" and screaming we live in a "banana republic" when a criminal like Mr. Trump is indicted for his 38 felonies against the United States. Then they start in with their "whataboutisms" against Mr. Trump's political opponents who have never been charged with any crimes just to deflect away from Mr. Trump's crimes.

When Mr. Trump was accused by over 27 women of sexual assault, his supporters defended him and attacked the women who came forward. Mr. Trump was caught on tape bragging about his sexual assaults, but even that didn't bother his hardcore supporters. Even when Mr. Trump was found guilty of sexual assault last month in civil court, his supporters attacked the woman that he assaulted. But when Democrat Andrew Cuomo was accused of the same actions, Mr. Trump's supporters were screaming for Cuomo to resign, be prosecuted, and jailed over those same actions. The hypocrisy is unreal with the radical right. They want a special set of rules for Mr. Trump to assault but Mr. Cuomo isn't allowed their own "special rules" since he is not the MAGA cult leader.     

Top Democrats and Democratic voters called for Cuomo to resign and no longer supported him unlike the MAGA cult who dug in even more to support an abuser like Mr. Trump. That's the clear difference between Democrats and Republicans.                     

We see this currently going on right now in the House of Representatives. MAGA Republican New York Congressman George Santos, was just criminally indicted and the Republican House is refusing to expel him from congress. Now if Mr. Santos was a Democrat, the entire Republican House would be on the floor holding debates demanding for him to be expelled immediately. The right wing media would be yelling each day for Democrats to expel him. But since Santos is a Republican, we get nothing but silence from the right wing media and GOP House condoning even more criminal activity.   

Face it, Republicans support criminals and criminal behavior from anyone with an (R) after their name and believe they should never be held accountable for their crimes when they are charged. Once again, a "special set of rules" for people like Mr. Trump and Mr. Santos than other American citizens.

Mr. Trump famously once boasted in 2016, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.”

That's not true anymore, since Mr. Trump currently has 54% support of Republicans when it used to be 96% in 2016. Mr. Trump lost 42% support going to other candidates since that remark. But the point is, if Mr. Trump actually did shoot somebody like he boasted about, almost everyone of his current 54% would be demanding that he shouldn't be charged with a crime for "shooting someone" like they are doing now in the stolen documents indictment. That's how deranged these people are.

What now Mr. Trump? Well, you're going to be arrested on Tuesday in Miami for espionage and face another indictment in Jack Smith's January 6th probe coming up soon. Mr. Trump will also be indicted again in August for election fraud and racketeering in Fani Willis' Fulton County, Georgia indictment. Mr. Trump has more indictments and several criminal trials to look forward to in his future.

MAGAs whine, "But Fani Willis is a Democrat, that's political persecution!"

No it's not. :D :D :D     

If Mr. Trump hadn't have called the Republican Georgia Secretary of State on the phone demanding to get 11,000+ votes he never received in order to steal the election from Joe Biden, then Mr. Trump wouldn't be in this predicament. Ms. Willis is just doing her job.

If Mr. Trump hadn't have said "Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and my Republicans" then he wouldn't be facing indictment. Ms. Willis is just doing her job. Mr. Trump did this to himself.

If Mr. Trump hadn't have stolen boxes of top secret classified documents and didn't refuse to give them up, then he wouldn't be indicted for espionage by Jack Smith. Again, Mr. Trump did this to himself. Jack Smith is just doing his job.

There is no "Deep State" out to get Mr. Trump when Mr. Trump was caught red handed with the goods and is on tape bragging about having classified documents in his possession that is illegal to hold as a private citizen. If the DOJ had no evidence on Mr. Trump and then charged him, then that would be the "DOJ out to get Trump", but that is clearly not the case. Mr. Trump was caught red handed with the goods. He did it to himself.

If Mr. Trump didn't decide to incite an insurrection to steal the presidency from Biden and an election from the American people, then Mr. Trump wouldn't be facing an indictment in DC.

Mr. Trump is a brazen criminal who finally got caught with massive amounts of evidence against him. This is nobody else's fault except his own. Now he has to accept reality and face the consequences. 

And for MAGAs to cry and whine that "others are out to get him" when Mr. Trump  was caught red handed with the goods is absolutely pathetic. Own it and take the loss MAGA. Mr. Trump is a guilty criminal and will face the justice system just like every single American who is charged with serious crimes has to go through.

Mr. Trump doesn't get any "special rules".                                 

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
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Mr. Trump 


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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2023, 12:05:44 PM »
Wash Post article acknowledging what Trump and many republicans suggested should be the response to COVID all along once it was better understood.  Instead the Dems politicized COVID and destroyed and divided the entire country for absolutely no good reason.  Remember when you were deemed a murderer if you didn't follow their "science"?  Now there is suddenly nothing to see.   Everyone should just move on as Trump said over and over again while advocating that schools be reopened etc to the outrage of leftists who used the pandemic for political purposes and control.


"Covid isn’t over, but even the most cautious Americans are moving on"

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2023, 03:03:47 AM »
Wash Post article acknowledging what Trump and many republicans suggested should be the response to COVID all along once it was better understood. Instead the Dems politicized COVID and destroyed and divided the entire country for absolutely no good reason.  Remember when you were deemed a murderer if you didn't follow their "science"?  Now there is suddenly nothing to see.   Everyone should just move on as Trump said over and over again while advocating that schools be reopened etc to the outrage of leftists who used the pandemic for political purposes and control.


"Covid isn’t over, but even the most cautious Americans are moving on"

More nonsense.

How did the "Dems politicize COVID and destroy and divide the entire country"?

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2023, 01:33:38 PM »
More nonsense.

How did the "Dems politicize COVID and destroy and divide the entire country"?

LOL. You of all people as a propagandist should know that.  There will be history books written just on the abuses.   A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy, using COVID as an excuse to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that changed the outcome of the 2020 election, suppressing free speech to take the blame for COVID off China and place it all on Trump (e.g. lab leak was deemed a conspiracy theory on social media and discussion was banned), spreading massive disinformation.

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2023, 11:47:55 PM »
LOL. You of all people as a propagandist should know that.  There will be history books written just on the abuses.   A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy, using COVID as an excuse to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that changed the outcome of the 2020 election, suppressing free speech to take the blame for COVID off China and place it all on Trump (e.g. lab leak was deemed a conspiracy theory on social media and discussion was banned), spreading massive disinformation.

You of all people as a propagandist should know that.

Says the biggest propagandist of them all.....

(e.g. lab leak was deemed a conspiracy theory on social media and discussion was banned)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2023, 03:31:57 AM »
LOL. You of all people as a propagandist should know that.  There will be history books written just on the abuses.   A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy, using COVID as an excuse to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that changed the outcome of the 2020 election, suppressing free speech to take the blame for COVID off China and place it all on Trump (e.g. lab leak was deemed a conspiracy theory on social media and discussion was banned), spreading massive disinformation.

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shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy

How can Democrats "shut down the entire country" when Trump was supposed to be "president"? :D

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using COVID as an excuse to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that changed the outcome of the 2020 election,
 

What voting laws were changed?

Are you claiming red states changed their voting laws?

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suppressing free speech to take the blame for COVID off China and place it all on Trump

Who's "free speech" was suppressed?

Why did Mr. Trump praise China 15 times about their handling of the pandemic?     

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spreading massive disinformation

What "massive disinformation"?   

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2023, 10:18:33 PM »
Wash Post article acknowledging what Trump and many republicans suggested should be the response to COVID all along once it was better understood.  Instead the Dems politicized COVID and destroyed and divided the entire country for absolutely no good reason.  Remember when you were deemed a murderer if you didn't follow their "science"?  Now there is suddenly nothing to see.   Everyone should just move on as Trump said over and over again while advocating that schools be reopened etc to the outrage of leftists who used the pandemic for political purposes and control.


"Covid isn’t over, but even the most cautious Americans are moving on"

More falsehoods and propaganda here.

President Biden got the pandemic under control just like he promised during the 2020 campaign.

So, once it was deemed safe enough to carry on as normal iike it currently is today, we don't need to have strict guideline in place as we did when the pandemic was deadly.

When a deadly pandemic is happening, officials are supposed to follow the safety guidelines of the CDC and WHO to prevent the virus from spreading and from more deaths occurring. Every responsible leader and country followed those guidelines.

Trump and Republicans politicized COVID and those guidelines by refusing to follow them and instead pushed disinformation to their base.     

Then we had Trump working to undermine the COVID response to push his political agenda instead. That's why the United States had the worst COVID crisis in the world in 2020 and going into 2021.

Could you imagine "doing nothing and carrying on as normal" during a deadly pandemic? Millions of people would have died at the outset.   


Trump White House made 'deliberate efforts' to undermine Covid response, report says

The White House repeatedly overruled public health and testing guidance from the nation’s top infectious disease experts and silenced officials, the report found.

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration engaged in “deliberate efforts” to undermine the U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic for political purposes, a congressional report released Friday concludes.

The report, prepared by the House select subcommittee investigating the nation’s Covid response, says the White House repeatedly overruled public health and testing guidance by the nation’s top infectious disease experts and silenced officials in order to promote then-President Donald Trump's political agenda.

In August of last year, for example, Trump hosted a White House meeting with people who promoted a herd immunity strategy pushed by White House special adviser Dr. Scott Atlas. The subcommittee obtained an email sent ahead of that meeting in which Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House Covid response coordinator, told the vice president’s chief of staff, Marc Short, that it was “a fringe group without grounding in epidemics, public health or on the ground common sense experience.” Birx also said in the email that she could “go out of town or whatever gives the WH cover” on the day of the meeting.

A few months later in October, National Institutes of Health Director Dr. Francis Collins called for “a quick and devastating published take down” of the herd immunity strategy, according to emails obtained and released by the subcommittee.

In an interview with the subcommittee, Birx said when she arrived to the White House in March 2020 — more than a month after the U.S. declared a public health emergency — she learned that federal officials had not yet contacted some of the largest U.S. companies that could supply Covid testing.

Birx also told the panel that Atlas and other Trump officials “purposely weakened CDC’s coronavirus testing guidance in August 2020 to obscure how rapidly the virus was spreading across the country,” the report said. The altered guidance recommended that asymptomatic people didn’t need to get tested, advice that was "contrary to consensus science-based recommendations," it said, adding, "Dr. Birx stated that these changes were made specifically to reduce the amount of testing being conducted.

Altas did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment.

The subcommittee also found in its investigation that the Trump White House blocked requests from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to conduct public briefings for more than three months. That move followed a late-February 2020 briefing in which a top CDC official "accurately warned the public about the risks posed by the coronavirus," it said.

Another CDC official told the panel that the agency asked to hold a briefing in April 2020 on a recommendation to wear cloth face coverings and present evidence of pediatric cases and deaths from Covid, but the Trump White House refused.

CDC officials also stated media requests to interview them were denied during that period, the subcommittee report said.

Documents obtained by the committee also show that Trump political appointees tried to pressure the Food and Drug Administration to authorize ineffective Covid treatments the president was pushing, like hydroxychloroquine and convalescent plasma, over the objections of career scientists, the report said.

In addition, Dr. Steven Hatfill, an adviser to former White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, “may have declined leads to purchase supplies like N95 masks in the spring 2020 solely because the products were not manufactured in the United States," the subcommittee said.

In a statement provided to NBC on Friday, Hatfill said that the administration began sourcing personal protective equipment in early 2020. He said "the most logical and efficient choice was to seek U.S.-based manufacturers' help."

"At the time, profiteers were peddling defective and fraudulent PPE at inflated prices directly to the public," he said. "Even states such as California and New Mexico fell prey to these schemes, but we had no time to waste at the federal level. Even the shortest delay could cost thousands of lives. That was a risk we were not willing to take. Our choice to buy American goods saved lives and the United States taxpayer's money."

Dr. Jay Butler, a senior CDC official who helped supervise the agency’s coronavirus response during the spring of 2020, told the subcommittee in an interview that the Trump administration published guidance for faith communities in May of last year that “softened some very important public health recommendations,” such as removing all references to face coverings, a suggestion to suspend choirs, and language related to virtual services. Butler told the panel that “the concerns he had about Americans getting sick and potentially dying because they relied on this watered-down guidance ‘will haunt me for some time,’” the report said.

The revelations in the panel's report come as Covid cases surge across the country as the U.S. battles the new omicron and the delta variants.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/trump-white-house-made-deliberate-efforts-undermine-covid-response-report-n1286211

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2023, 10:18:33 PM »