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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2023, 10:58:28 PM »
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LOL. You of all people as a propagandist should know that.
   
The only propagandist here is you. Your falsehoods are all debunked below.

There will be history books written just on the abuses. A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy,

Here's more disinformation from you.

The "entire country" was never shut down. Weak and feckless Donald Trump famously said "I take no responsibility" during the start of the pandemic and took no action shoving the responsibility to each Governor to handle. That's why United States had the worst COVID crisis in the world.         

States that did not issue stay-at-home orders in response to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, 2020

Seven states—Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming—did not issue orders directing residents to stay at home from nonessential activities in March and April 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The 43 other states all issued orders at the state level directing residents to stay at home except for essential activities and closing businesses that each state deemed nonessential

https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_did_not_issue_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020


A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy,

Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis are not Democrats, they are far right wing Republicans. Even they closed business and schools during the deadly pandemic. So, it's not "Democrats shutting down the country" as you keep pushing your usual disinformation.

Gov. Abbott Declares Disaster, Closes Schools, Bars, Gyms Statewide, Restaurants “To Go” Only
March 19, 2020
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/gov-greg-abbott-to-detail-latest-in-covid-19-fight-thursday-at-noon/2334290/

Gov. DeSantis orders schools closed rest of academic year
April 19, 2020
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328896-florida-students-will-continue-distance-learning-through-rest-of-school-year/


And the economy was not "booming". Donald Trump plunged manufacturing into a recession in September of 2019 due to his incompetence and the United States was on the verge of a recession.

U.S. manufacturing is in a recession. What does that mean for the rest of the country?
September 6, 2019
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-manufacturing-is-in-a-recession-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/

Recession warning 2019: why everybody's worried yet again
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/15/20806882/recession-warning-yield-curve-stock-market-dow


using COVID as an excuse to change the voting laws in almost every state in a way that changed the outcome of the 2020 election,

Wow, now you're pushing Donald Trump's election conspiracy theories. :D

Even Trump's own appointed judges threw these bogus conspiracy theories out of court.

Trump-Appointed Judge In Wisconsin Shuts Down Campaign’s Legal Argument For Why Election Was Rigged
Dec 12, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/12/trump-appointed-judge-in-wisconsin-shuts-down-campaigns-legal-argument-for-why-election-was-rigged/?sh=663e9ae715d9


suppressing free speech to take the blame for COVID off China and place it all on Trump

Even more falsehoods.  :D :D :D

No "free speech" was suppressed.. Weak cowardly Donald Trump praised China 15 times for their disastrous response to the COVID pandemic because he was too afraid to call them out on it.

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe
The president has lambasted the WHO for accepting Beijing’s assurances about the outbreak, but he repeated them, as well.
April 15, 2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/15/trump-china-coronavirus-188736


Twitter Admits in Court Filing: Elon Musk Is Simply Wrong About Government Interference At Twitter

"To date, not a single document revealed has shown what people now falsely believe: that the US government and Twitter were working together to “censor” people based on their political viewpoints. Literally none of that has been shown at all."

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-filing-elon-musk-is-simply-wrong-about-government-interference-at-twitter/

(e.g. lab leak was deemed a conspiracy theory on social media and discussion was banned), spreading massive disinformation.

The "lab leak" IS a conspiracy theory. Yes, you're spreading disinformation.

No direct proof Covid-19 stemmed from Wuhan lab leak, US intelligence says

Four-page declassified report said while ‘extensive work’ had been conducted, no evidence of an incident at the Wuhan lab was found

Fri 23 Jun 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/23/covid-19-origins-wuhan-lab-leak-us-intelligence-reports

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2023, 10:58:28 PM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2023, 01:40:52 AM »
How can Democrats "shut down the entire country" when Trump was supposed to be "president"? :D
 

What voting laws were changed?

Are you claiming red states changed their voting laws?

Who's "free speech" was suppressed?

Why did Mr. Trump praise China 15 times about their handling of the pandemic?     

What "massive disinformation"?

Only the governors of each state had the power to shutdown that state.  Trump, as president, had limited ability to control those individual state decisions.  You still don't realize that at this point? The voting laws were changed in almost every state.  Both those controlled by Dems and Republicans.  Those changes made the difference in the 2020 election.  Those are just facts.  The Dems obviously took advantage of COVID to make those changes.  There were many corrupt establishment Republicans who hated Trump as much or more than Dems. Liz Cheney for example.  They also took advantage of COVID to change the laws.  It only took a few states to change the outcome.  The people wanted Trump.  He received a record number of votes on election day.  He would have won any other such election by a landslide but for the changes made in the months leading up to the election.  You tell me in an honest manner what your reaction would have been if the election laws had been changed just before the election in a way that led to Trump's reelection.  There would have been a real insurrection by the leftists and it would have been deemed necessary to save democracy. 

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2023, 05:42:16 AM »
Only the governors of each state had the power to shutdown that state.  Trump, as president, had limited ability to control those individual state decisions.

A few highlights: shutting down the entire country to destroy the booming economy

You continue to falsely claim that "Democrats shut down the entire country to destroy our economy" and that is just pure disinformation.

Republican Governors like Abbott and DeSantis closed businesses and schools to prevent the spread of the virus and more deaths that were occurring in mass numbers. Are you going to blame them too for closing businesses to stop more deaths from occurring?             

And for your information, entire states were never completely "shut down". Grocery stores remained open and restaurants were open for take out. Non essential businesses were closed. People were advised to stay home to stop the spread of the virus. That's what you do in a pandemic. ALL major countries did the same exact thing, but you're trying to make it out to be controversial when it's not, and you're falsely accusing Democrats of "shutting down" the United States when that never happened.     

Gov. Abbott Declares Disaster, Closes Schools, Bars, Gyms Statewide, Restaurants “To Go” Only
March 19, 2020

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/gov-greg-abbott-to-detail-latest-in-covid-19-fight-thursday-at-noon/2334290/

Gov. DeSantis orders schools closed rest of academic year
April 19, 2020

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328896-florida-students-will-continue-distance-learning-through-rest-of-school-year/

You still don't realize that at this point? The voting laws were changed in almost every state.  Both those controlled by Dems and Republicans.  Those changes made the difference in the 2020 election.  Those are just facts.  The Dems obviously took advantage of COVID to make those changes.

Sorry, those are not the facts.

States that adopted "vote by mail" mailed a ballot to every single registered voter in the state. How is there an advantage for that? There was no "advantage" for Republicans or Democrats. Anyone who wanted to vote had an easy opportunity to vote. There was no "advantage" for any political party. 

Then that registered voter needed to fill out the ballot and mail it back before the deadline or drop it off at their voting location on election day.

In fact, if a person didn't want to vote by mail they simply could have voted in person at their voting location.     

Oregon and Colorado strictly vote by mail and there is no "advantage" for any political party in those states.

Those are the facts.

There were many corrupt establishment Republicans who hated Trump as much or more than Dems. Liz Cheney for example.

So what if they hated Trump? That's their own choice to hate him or like him.     

They also took advantage of COVID to change the laws.  It only took a few states to change the outcome. The people wanted Trump.  He received a record number of votes on election day.  He would have won any other such election by a landslide but for the changes made in the months leading up to the election.
   

Sorry, no "outcome was changed".

The fact is, Trump fans can't admit to losing the 2020 election, they falsely believe he's invincible, so they make up falsehoods like this to feel better about themselves. This same nonsense was argued in court by Trump's lawyers and even his own handpicked appointed judges threw these bogus claims out because they are ridiculous.   

The "people did not want Trump". If the people wanted Trump, then he would have won the election instead of losing in a blowout.

Trump never led in one national poll for the entire 2020 election campaign because he was massively unpopular.

In fact, the same states that went blue in 2020, also went blue in 2022 for Senate in the midterm election (except for Wisconsin) so no outcome was ever changed in 2020. The voting trends in 2022 were almost identical to 2020 and it will also be the same for 2024.   

And for the record, Republicans in every state voted absentee for years which is perfectly legal. 

President Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in history which is why he is our president today.           

You tell me in an honest manner what your reaction would have been if the election laws had been changed just before the election in a way that led to Trump's reelection. There would have been a real insurrection by the leftists and it would have been deemed necessary to save democracy.

I have no problem with states making it easier for people to vote. More people need to be voting anyway. And if the candidate of my choice doesn't get enough votes to win, then that's how it goes. Mailing ballots to registered voters does not "change the outcome of an election" because it gives everybody an equal opportunity to vote regardless of their political preference.   

Trump tried to steal the election from the American people by using fake electors and trying to usurp the power from individual states after he lost the election. Then he incited an insurrection trying to stop the vote certification and the peaceful transfer of power, which is why he's going to be indicted for that along with his co-conspirators.

It was Donald Trump and his Republican co-conspirators who attempted to change the outcome of a national election against the will of the people and they failed.     

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2023, 05:42:16 AM »


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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2023, 12:36:25 PM »
You continue to falsely claim that "Democrats shut down the entire country to destroy our economy" and that is just pure disinformation.

Republican Governors like Abbott and DeSantis closed businesses and schools to prevent the spread of the virus and more deaths that were occurring in mass numbers. Are you going to blame them too for closing businesses to stop more deaths from occurring?             

And for your information, entire states were never completely "shut down". Grocery stores remained open and restaurants were open for take out. Non essential businesses were closed. People were advised to stay home to stop the spread of the virus. That's what you do in a pandemic. ALL major countries did the same exact thing, but you're trying to make it out to be controversial when it's not, and you're falsely accusing Democrats of "shutting down" the United States when that never happened.     

Gov. Abbott Declares Disaster, Closes Schools, Bars, Gyms Statewide, Restaurants “To Go” Only
March 19, 2020

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/gov-greg-abbott-to-detail-latest-in-covid-19-fight-thursday-at-noon/2334290/

Gov. DeSantis orders schools closed rest of academic year
April 19, 2020

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/328896-florida-students-will-continue-distance-learning-through-rest-of-school-year/

Sorry, those are not the facts.

States that adopted "vote by mail" mailed a ballot to every single registered voter in the state. How is there an advantage for that? There was no "advantage" for Republicans or Democrats. Anyone who wanted to vote had an easy opportunity to vote. There was no "advantage" for any political party. 

Then that registered voter needed to fill out the ballot and mail it back before the deadline or drop it off at their voting location on election day.

In fact, if a person didn't want to vote by mail they simply could have voted in person at their voting location.     

Oregon and Colorado strictly vote by mail and there is no "advantage" for any political party in those states.

Those are the facts.

So what if they hated Trump? That's their own choice to hate him or like him.     
   

Sorry, no "outcome was changed".

The fact is, Trump fans can't admit to losing the 2020 election, they falsely believe he's invincible, so they make up falsehoods like this to feel better about themselves. This same nonsense was argued in court by Trump's lawyers and even his own handpicked appointed judges threw these bogus claims out because they are ridiculous.   

The "people did not want Trump". If the people wanted Trump, then he would have won the election instead of losing in a blowout.

Trump never led in one national poll for the entire 2020 election campaign because he was massively unpopular.

In fact, the same states that went blue in 2020, also went blue in 2022 for Senate in the midterm election (except for Wisconsin) so no outcome was ever changed in 2020. The voting trends in 2022 were almost identical to 2020 and it will also be the same for 2024.   

And for the record, Republicans in every state voted absentee for years which is perfectly legal. 

President Biden received more votes than any presidential candidate in history which is why he is our president today.           

I have no problem with states making it easier for people to vote. More people need to be voting anyway. And if the candidate of my choice doesn't get enough votes to win, then that's how it goes. Mailing ballots to registered voters does not "change the outcome of an election" because it gives everybody an equal opportunity to vote regardless of their political preference.   

Trump tried to steal the election from the American people by using fake electors and trying to usurp the power from individual states after he lost the election. Then he incited an insurrection trying to stop the vote certification and the peaceful transfer of power, which is why he's going to be indicted for that along with his co-conspirators.

It was Donald Trump and his Republican co-conspirators who attempted to change the outcome of a national election against the will of the people and they failed.     

So many words.  You are really going to quibble with the characterization that the country was shutdown during the pandemic?  LOL.   It doesn't mean absolutely every business was shut down.  The revisionist history and hypocrisy are astounding.  We were told for two years by Dems that masks, social distancing, and closing of most businesses and all other activities was absolutely necessary.  That destroyed the robust economy.  Then the clown show Biden compounded that disaster by pouring hundreds of billions into the hands of individuals who spent the money on goods and services for which he had ensured by his doomed policies that there were no workers to respond.   Leading to hyperinflation that has crushed America.  The 2020 election was decided in a handful of states by a very small margin of votes.  That is just a demonstrable fact.  The margin of difference in those states was the direct result of changes in the election laws in the months leading up to the election.  Republicans did change those laws in some states.  Many did so because Trump threatened the corrupt establishment.  It's not just a Republican and Democrat issue when it comes to Trump.  Trump is not controlled by the establishment like Romney and most others.  So they went along with those changes and that was the difference in the election.  This is not an opinion but is proven by the data.  Biden received the vast majority of the votes that were the result of new voting methods implementing just before the election.  That margin made the difference.  It was a statistical outlier because Biden received the most votes in history despite being a terrible candidate.   Trump overstates this outcome by claiming the election was stolen.  It was not stolen but the changes made the election questionable.  Biden and his clown show are too stupid to have stolen the election.

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2023, 01:01:36 PM »
So many words.  You are really going to quibble with the characterization that the country was shutdown during the pandemic?  LOL.   It doesn't mean absolutely every business was shut down.  The revisionist history and hypocrisy are astounding.

You falsely said "Democrats shut the down the entire country" and that is disinformation.   

We were told for two years by Dems that masks, social distancing, and closing of most businesses and all other activities was absolutely necessary.  That destroyed the robust economy.

You're posting falsehoods again.

Democrats followed the advice of scientists and medical experts on what to do in a pandemic which saved millions of lives.   

Republicans Governors closed businesses in their states. Why aren't you blaming them?

The economy was not "robust". Manufacturing was already in a recession and the U.S. economy was on the verge of one before the pandemic. You keep ignoring this fact.

U.S. manufacturing is in a recession. What does that mean for the rest of the country?
September 6, 2019

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-manufacturing-is-in-a-recession-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/

Recession warning 2019: why everybody's worried yet again
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/15/20806882/recession-warning-yield-curve-stock-market-dow


Then the clown show Biden compounded that disaster by pouring hundreds of billions into the hands of individuals who spent the money on goods and services for which he had ensured by his doomed policies that there were no workers to respond.   Leading to hyperinflation that has crushed America.
 

More disinformation. :D :D :D

You mean the clown show Trump Administration, because the billions of dollars in money occurred on his watch in March 2020 BEFORE President Biden was in office.   

"The program, established by the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, aka CARES, began in March 2020 to help small businesses affected by COVID-19 cover payrolls and, in some cases, hire back employees who were laid off. Companies across the country received $787.2 billion in loans, the Small Business Administration said."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-ppp-loans-forgiven-republicans-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene/65470173007/


"The bulk of the potential losses are from the two SBA programs and another to provide unemployment benefits to workers suddenly unemployed by the economic upheaval caused by the pandemic. The three initiatives were begun during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden."

"Gene Sperling, a senior White House official overseeing pandemic relief spending, said in a interview Tuesday that 86% of the fraud, or potential fraud, in the emergency loan programs happened during the first nine months of the pandemic when President Donald Trump was in office."


https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-covid19-fraud-small-business-inspector-general-7e651b3e405863f0be9f2e34ca47b93e

The 2020 election was decided in a handful of states by a very small margin of votes.  That is just a demonstrable fact.  The margin of difference in those states was the direct result of changes in the election laws in the months leading up to the election.  Republicans did change those laws in some states.  Many did so because Trump threatened the corrupt establishment.  It's not just a Republican and Democrat issue when it comes to Trump.  Trump is not controlled by the establishment like Romney and most others.  So they went along with those changes and that was the difference in the election.  This is not an opinion but is proven by the data.  Biden received the vast majority of the votes that were the result of new voting methods implementing just before the election.  That margin made the difference.  It was a statistical outlier because Biden received the most votes in history despite being a terrible candidate. Trump overstates this outcome by claiming the election was stolen.  It was not stolen but the changes made the election questionable.  Biden and his clown show are too stupid to have stolen the election.

Keep telling yourself that. Trump was overwhelmingly unpopular and lost by 7 million votes.   

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2023, 01:01:36 PM »


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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2023, 05:11:29 AM »
More upcoming indictments for Mr. Trump.

Grand jury that could indict Trump in Georgia is being picked

We’re entering Fulton County DA Fani Willis’ specified timeline for possible charges in her election interference probe.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/georgia-grand-jury-selected-2020-election-interference-trump-rcna93617

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Re: Now What Mr. Trump?
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2023, 03:14:53 AM »
Trump facing 100 years in prison

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