JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy

[Tim Nickerson]

Just go look at the rear coat and shirt holes and then look where C6/C7 is on JFK's neck. Both of the clothing holes are over 5 inches below their respective collars. We have plenty of photos that show a side or rear view of JFK's coat and shirt collars on his neck. Anyone not blinded by bias can see that the coat alone would have had to bunch far, far higher/more than we see it bunched in any photo or footage taken during the motorcade.

You're not answering my question. I asked you to give me a number. You can give half inch or quarter of an inch graduations, like one and a half or two and a quarter. Just give me a number. What would be the height in inches that JFK's coat would need to be bunched up in order for the hole in it to match up with the entry wound as seen in the autopsy photo(s) or as described on the Facesheet (14 cms below the tip of the rt. mastoid process)?

[Tim Nickerson]

Been trying to figure that one out, Tim. Some CTs seem to think along these lines:

The throat wound was above the shirt collar and tie. These medical marvels believe the necktie knot wasn't scraped by a bullet, but rather Parkland nurses (get this) caused the nick on the tie-knot and the "slits" in the short collar by using sharp-pointed scissors to remove the clothing (I'm not kidding; they believe this). That allows them to have the throat wound higher than it really is.

So with the throat wound artificially higher, these CTs then project backward the angle to the window (the guy above in the Jefferies film-grab used 22° that he pulled out of his a-zz). From this, they "determine" where the "brainwashed WC apologist" back wound would have to enter. And it's through the "bunch" like Griffith contends.


The slope is about 20° to the horizon (about 17° through the body relative to street level). I'm not saying the SBT occurred at Z223-225; it could be a few frames earlier.

If you make a more full-profile outline of JFK's body in the Jefferies film, it would look like this,. I have added a 17° slope and nape creases.

"Can't you see the bunch on the rightward side of the jacket nape?"

I don't think that the shot occured after Z223. I say between Z222 and Z223. Maybe as early as Z221.

Nice compilation of photos and graphics, btw.

[Tim Nickerson]

Graphically, it's good to depict the SBT near Z225 because that's when both men come into view. The next-generation 3D artists will be able to make the darn highway sign transparent and go to the more viable-frame.



Alas, the next-generation 3D is here and they're screwing it up big-time. Nice hair, though.

I understand. But I don't worry about coming up with a graphical depiction. I leave that up to people like you. 

I'm just going by the reflex reactions of Kennedy and Connally. Although, Sturdivan believes that Kennedy's reaction wasn't a reflex one.

[Jack Trojan]

Since the following image won't display, I can only provide the link showing the alleged entrance and exit wounds. This one is easy. If the shot was taken from the 6th floor of the TSBD, and it is known approximately where on Elm that the MB struck JFK, then the bullet's trajectory thru JFK can be determined with simple geometry. The bottom line is that the alleged exit wound can be easily referenced to the C7 vertebrae. Therefore, if the MB travels downward 17 degrees from horizontal and enters JFK and exits at C7, then it must have entered the back at C6. No amount of slouching or jacket bunching would affect this trajectory thru JFK.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_Entrance_Exit_Wounds.jpg

So does the alleged entrance wound on the back look like it is entering at C6? No way. Yet it must have, therefore it must be magic. You just can't argue with geometry unless you identify the false assumptions that led to the wrong conclusion. All I see here are a bunch of irrelevant graphics that have no geomatics applied to them.

Here is a simple way to prove to yourself that the MB was impossible. Get in between 2 lasers pointed at each other @ 17 degrees and try to match JFK's entrance/exit wounds http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png If any LNer posts their results, I will eat a bug.

[John Iacoletti]

Where is Caprio now that we need him?  He used to claim that because JFK wore expensive suits from Brooks Brothers that they would never "bunch" to rebut the evidence visible with his own eyes.  If a time machine were invented to allow some of these kooks to sit in Oswald's lap as he pulled the trigger, they would gouge their own eyes out to avoid acknowledging his guilt and proclaim his innocence while the shots were still ringing in their ears.

“If there were actually reliable evidence, I fantasize that you wouldn’t accept it anyway, therefore you should just believe what I claim without any reliable evidence”.

[Tim Nickerson]

Since the following image won't display, I can only provide the link showing the alleged entrance and exit wounds. This one is easy. If the shot was taken from the 6th floor of the TSBD, and it is known approximately where on Elm that the MB struck JFK, then the bullet's trajectory thru JFK can be determined with simple geometry. The bottom line is that the alleged exit wound can be easily referenced to the C7 vertebrae. Therefore, if the MB travels downward 17 degrees from horizontal and enters JFK and exits at C7, then it must have entered the back at C6. No amount of slouching or jacket bunching would affect this trajectory thru JFK.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_Entrance_Exit_Wounds.jpg

So does the alleged entrance wound on the back look like it is entering at C6? No way. Yet it must have, therefore it must be magic. You just can't argue with geometry unless you identify the false assumptions that led to the wrong conclusion. All I see here are a bunch of irrelevant graphics that have no geomatics applied to them.

Here is a simple way to prove to yourself that the MB was impossible. Get in between 2 lasers pointed at each other @ 17 degrees and try to match JFK's entrance/exit wounds http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/JFK_2lasers.png If any LNer posts their results, I will eat a bug.

The bullet entered at about the level of C7 and exited at about the level of C7.

[Jack Trojan]

The bullet entered at about the level of C7 and exited at about the level of C7.

You placed the entrance wound at the bottom of C6 and the exit wound at the middle of C7. But even if I give it to you, look how far above the shoulders you put the entrance wound. Now look at how far down the shoulders the entrance wound was in JFK's autopsy photo. Do you really think the MB is entering at C7? How far does your denial go?

[Michael T. Griffith]

You placed the entrance wound at the bottom of C6 and the exit wound at the middle of C7. But even if I give it to you, look how far above the shoulders you put the entrance wound. Now look at how far down the shoulders the entrance wound was in JFK's autopsy photo. Do you really think the MB is entering at C7? How far does your denial go?

How far does Nickerson's and Organ's denial go? A long, long ways, to infinity and beyond. I've made the same point about C6/C7 and the autopsy photo several times. You can see that C7 is above the entrance wound in the photo. I can see it. Anyone with two working eyes and a willingness to acknowledge reality can see it. Heck, I know they can see it. But, they will never admit it, because doing this would mean that the SBT is bogus and that the lone-gunman theory is wrong.

Similarly, anyone with two working eyes can see that there's just no way that the modest bunch in JFK's jacket seen in the motorcade photos and films could account for JFK's rear clothing holes (never mind the fact that Willis 5 shows his jacket virtually flat). It's obvious, plainly obvious. I know they can see it, unless their eyesight is just bad. But, here, too, they'll never admit it, because if JFK's jacket didn't bunch enough to account for the rear clothing holes, those holes destroy the SBT and the lone-gunman theory.