JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy

[Jack Trojan]

How far does Nickerson's and Organ's denial go? A long, long ways, to infinity and beyond. I've made the same point about C6/C7 and the autopsy photo several times. You can see that C7 is above the entrance wound in the photo. I can see it. Anyone with two working eyes and a willingness to acknowledge reality can see it. Heck, I know they can see it. But, they will never admit it, because doing this would mean that the SBT is bogus and that the lone-gunman theory is wrong.

Similarly, anyone with two working eyes can see that there's just no way that the modest bunch in JFK's jacket seen in the motorcade photos and films could account for JFK's rear clothing holes (never mind the fact that Willis 5 shows his jacket virtually flat). It's obvious, plainly obvious. I know they can see it, unless their eyesight is just bad. But, here, too, they'll never admit it, because if JFK's jacket didn't bunch enough to account for the rear clothing holes, those holes destroy the SBT and the lone-gunman theory.

Which is why the LN hypothesis is a house of cards. It only takes 1 undeniable fact pointing to a conspiracy and the LNers are kaput! They must remain in denial and move on to another topic the kooky CTers are harping on about. Better than admitting they've wasted decades vainly trying to defend Oswald as being a LN assassin, which he clearly wasn't. In for a penny, I suppose.

[Tim Nickerson]

You placed the entrance wound at the bottom of C6 and the exit wound at the middle of C7.

Wrong. I placed the entrance wound at C7.

But even if I give it to you, look how far above the shoulders you put the entrance wound. Now look at how far down the shoulders the entrance wound was in JFK's autopsy photo. Do you really think the MB is entering at C7? How far does your denial go?

First of all, that's not an X-Ray of Kennedy, who had a bit of a hunchback physique. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, at the time of the autopsy, Kennedy's shoulders were greatly elevated due to rigor mortis.

[Jack Trojan]

Wrong. I placed the entrance wound at C7.

First of all, that's not an X-Ray of Kennedy, who had a bit of a hunchback physique. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, at the time of the autopsy, Kennedy's shoulders were greatly elevated due to rigor mortis.

Ok, so your entrance wound was placed on the back of a tilted C7 vertebrae. Then put a spot on JFK's rigored back where you think his C7 vertebrae was and show me how it matches the back wound on the autopsy photo.

Use 2 lasers on yourself like I described upthread and match JFK's back wound, then post a photo and show us all that the MB was possible or continue with your denial. Otherwise, you need to produce something more substantial to make your case than anything you've provided so far, which is nothing.

[Tim Nickerson]

Ok, so your entrance wound was placed on the back of a tilted C7 vertebrae. Then put a spot on JFK's rigored back where you think his C7 vertebrae was and show me how it matches the back wound on the autopsy photo.

Use 2 lasers on yourself like I described upthread and match JFK's back wound, then post a photo and show us all that the MB was possible or continue with your denial. Otherwise, you need to produce something more substantial to make your case than anything you've provided so far, which is nothing.

I put the entrance wound on the back of a C7 vertebrae. You call C7 tilted because you need to for some reason. The wound on Kennedy was at the level of C7.

I'm not interested in doing your worthless laser experiment. If you're so interested in seeing it done then do it yourself. Quit flapping your gums. Put up or shut up. The single bullet trajectory has been presented in this forum by me and others. It works. That you're too damn stupid to see it is not my problem.

[Jack Trojan]

I put the entrance wound on the back of a C7 vertebrae. You call C7 tilted because you need to for some reason. The wound on Kennedy was at the level of C7.

I'm not interested in doing your worthless laser experiment. If you're so interested in seeing it done then do it yourself. Quit flapping your gums. Put up or shut up. The single bullet trajectory has been presented in this forum by me and others. It works. That you're too damn stupid to see it is not my problem.

Somebody is pretty damned stupid if they think what they've presented in this forum "works". Of course I have done the laser experiment but if I posted my results would it change your mind? Let's see. I'm holding a mirror to show where the laser in front strikes me at C7. Note where the rear laser strikes my neck, which is where C7/C6 actually is, not on the back, like JFK's alleged entrance wound.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/MB2lasers2.png

You must do the experiment yourself to be convinced, which is why you definitely won't do it. You wouldn't want to burst your dufus bubble by knowing the truth and having wasted decades on this forum defending the magic bullet. How stupid would that be? 

[Jack Trojan]

Kennedy was slouching. You're upright, maybe leaning backwards a bit. You also need to have the laser at the necktie knot level.

The problem with this sort of experimentation is that it's a unique moment in time that has to be duplicated. On either side of that mirco-second immediately begins a million different ways that depart from the unique moment. Kennedy and you have different physiques. The odds are astronomically in favor of the duplication being a failure.

The "back wound" autopsy photo was taken as if from above the level of the wound. The lower back recedes and the head towards the top of the picture is noticeably larger. This oblique view, along with the shoulders raised up due to rigor mortis, make the wound seem lower than it was.

The lower part of the ruler rises away from the back. If the wound was in the back, the whole length of the ruler would be flat against the surface. Instead the ruler is pressed against the area where the back curves towards the neck. The level of the skin bump caused by the scapular spine (the scapula bone is raised along with the shoulders due to rigor mortis) support the entry wound at C7 level.

If you say so. Your superimposed skull and spine graphic was scaled incorrectly and cannot be used as a reference. I also have a photo showing the laser dot on my bare neck at C6/C7.

I also tried flipping the reference to the back wound and putting the laser at T1 to see where it exited with the front laser. You guessed it, below T1 and well below the knot. And the magic bullet definitely went as low as T1.

http://www.kohlbstudio.com/Images/x-ray_mb.gif

I repeated the experiment for every conceivable position and the only way I could match the wounds was when I was bent forward almost to my knees. The front laser barely cleared my chin. Only then could it have struck JFK in the back at T1 and exited at C7, but JFK wasn't bent forward, let alone to his knees.

You can't fold your spine by slouching and you can only rotate your spine away from the MB's trajectory to have the entry wound lower on your back than the throat wound.

Not sure what your graphics are supposed to show but they can't show you what the the lasers can, which is an accurate 3D rendering of the experiment which even a layman like you can take to the bank.

[Jack Trojan]

And denial isn't just a river in Egypt. You are not a photogrammetrist and your graphics are more than misleading. Do the laser experiment for yourself. Only a reenactment will convince you and not my reenactment. You are predisposed to reject it with your LNer layman's analysis. But I knew that, which is why I never bothered to post it before. I was just calling Nickerson's bluff to put up or shut up. Now it's your turn. Find someone that matches JFK and match the wounds with the lasers. My offer still stands to eat a bug if you post your results. Good luck!

[Charles Collins]

The WC reenactment, done back when laser technology was still in it’s infancy, gives us better information than Jack’s laser experiment.

https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/displayimage.php?pid=4231&fullsize=1


It has the 17-degree angle depicted by the string near the wall behind them and duplicated with the pointer held by Spector. And the subjects in the limo have similar physiques to JFK and JBC. And one can see just how much the jacket and shirt of JFK needed to be ridden up in order to line up with the trajectory of the bullet.