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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2023, 08:35:10 PM »
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The WC reenactment, done back when laser technology was still in it’s infancy, gives us better information than Jack’s laser experiment.

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It has the 17-degree angle depicted by the string near the wall behind them and duplicated with the pointer held by Spector. And the subjects in the limo have similar physiques to JFK and JBC. And one can see just how much the jacket and shirt of JFK needed to be ridden up in order to line up with the trajectory of the bullet.

Kennedy had somewhat of a hunched back. It looks to exit about an inch lower than it did on Kennedy. However, it also looks like they used an angle of 21 degrees.


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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2023, 08:35:10 PM »


Online Charles Collins

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2023, 03:27:07 PM »
And denial isn't just a river in Egypt. You are not a photogrammetrist and your graphics are more than misleading. Do the laser experiment for yourself. Only a reenactment will convince you and not my reenactment. You are predisposed to reject it with your LNer layman's analysis. But I knew that, which is why I never bothered to post it before. I was just calling Nickerson's bluff to put up or shut up. Now it's your turn. Find someone that matches JFK and match the wounds with the lasers. My offer still stands to eat a bug if you post your results. Good luck!


Out of curiosity, I tried my hand at the two-laser test. Here are the results:


Here is the set-up, about 5-feet apart and a little over seventeen degrees elevation slope with an eleven degree right to left angle:





The laser level is mounted on a tripod, the front laser is mounted on a boom microphone stand, and they are pointed directly at each other:





The results are shown as follows. I don't have what I think would be a suitable mirror. But you might notice that the image from the rear is a screenshot of a pause in the video at the same time that I took the front photo with a phone camera (I spoke the words "right now" when I took the front photo and, while replaying it, paused the video when I heard me speak those words). This helps to assure that I didn't move between the two photos.








Judging from the location of the laser "crosshair" on the pattern of the shirt, it is about 3-7/8" down from the top of the collar:




This was yet another verification for me that the WC got it right. I thought I would share the details of how I set this experiment up. I triple-checked the aiming of the lasers before and after the test. It appears to me that Jack Trojan might not have set things up properly in his test.

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2023, 11:04:01 PM »
What an outstanding job, Charles. Professional-grade equipment, too. I think Jack was using cheap laser pen-pointers and a protractor. This is how it should be done.



I hear crickets over at Jack's place. He has to catch one to eat it.


Thanks Jerry, it took me some time, patience, ingenuity, improvisation, etc., but I enjoyed the challenges. Only one laser needs to be pointed using an accurate level. The second one just needs to be located in the first one’s accurately pointed beam and pointed directly back towards the first one. So, a laser pen-pointer will work fine for the second one. Securing the pen-pointer so that it remains stationary can be a challenge though.

Yeah, Jack might need to catch a crow also….   ;D

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2023, 02:11:02 AM »

Out of curiosity, I tried my hand at the two-laser test. Here are the results:


Here is the set-up, about 5-feet apart and a little over seventeen degrees elevation slope with an eleven degree right to left angle:





The laser level is mounted on a tripod, the front laser is mounted on a boom microphone stand, and they are pointed directly at each other:





The results are shown as follows. I don't have what I think would be a suitable mirror. But you might notice that the image from the rear is a screenshot of a pause in the video at the same time that I took the front photo with a phone camera (I spoke the words "right now" when I took the front photo and, while replaying it, paused the video when I heard me speak those words). This helps to assure that I didn't move between the two photos.








Judging from the location of the laser "crosshair" on the pattern of the shirt, it is about 3-7/8" down from the top of the collar:




This was yet another verification for me that the WC got it right. I thought I would share the details of how I set this experiment up. I triple-checked the aiming of the lasers before and after the test. It appears to me that Jack Trojan might not have set things up properly in his test.

Very nicely done.


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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2023, 01:22:28 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2023, 06:46:26 PM »
Charles, is that crosshair on your back supposed to be below the shoulder blade?
« Last Edit: January 15, 2023, 06:47:48 PM by John Iacoletti »

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2023, 11:33:00 PM »
Would just like to add to the praise for Charles' experiment.
Brilliantly done.
Diehard sceptics will be left to haggle over micro-details but it is a clear demonstration of the feasibility of the neck transit shot.
Once the bullet exited the neck there is only one place it could go - into Connally.

Have not heard much about probing the anterior neck wound. What were the results of that?

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2023, 12:34:12 AM »
Would just like to add to the praise for Charles' experiment.
Brilliantly done.
Diehard sceptics will be left to haggle over micro-details but it is a clear demonstration of the feasibility of the neck transit shot.
Once the bullet exited the neck there is only one place it could go - into Connally.

Have not heard much about probing the anterior neck wound. What were the results of that?


Thanks Dan, one nice thing about it is that anyone who has a mind to can do this experiment for himself.

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Re: JFK's Shallow Back Wound and Knowledge of the Throat Wound at the Autopsy
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2023, 12:34:12 AM »