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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2022, 10:46:48 AM »
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Surprisingly good rant by Carlson.

Since Tucker Carlson is not a neo-conservative Republican, it is not surprising that he is open-minded about the evidence of conspiracy in the JFK assassination. The majority of Republicans still believe in the Warren Commission's lone-gunman theory, as exemplified by Ben Shapiro's recent error-filled defense of the lone-nut view. Yes, probably about one-third of Republicans favor the conspiracy view, but the remainder do not.

Conversely, the majority of Democrats believe that JFK was killed by a conspiracy, while about one-fourth to one-third of Democrats lean toward the lone-gunman view.

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2022, 02:12:25 PM »
What difference does it make whether the court or Ruby's lawyer hired West? I don't understand why you're fixated that detail.



So that makes it "okay" if West conducted weird experiments with LSD and possibly drugged people without their consent?

Also, I think you're a bit gullible if you believe West worked on the MKULTRA project for over a decade yet had no idea who was running the program.

His denial proves nothing just as LHO saying that "he didn't shoot anyone" proved nothing.


O'Neill never suggested that Oswald or Ruby were under "Mind-Control" at the time of the assassinations. His only theory, if you want to call it that, is that Jolly West might've induced Ruby to go insane prior to his Warren Commission interview.

Maybe watch the whole clip before making anymore assumptions...



What difference does it make whether the court or Ruby's lawyer hired West? I don't understand why you're fixated that detail.


What difference do you think it would make if Buell Wesley Frazier was the suspected conspirator instead of “the authorities”? No one would give a rat’s behind, that’s what difference it would make.

In music, a hook is simply the part of the song that catches the ear of the listener. And when it comes to news about the JFK assassination, the hook is always about the “authorities” doing something suspicious. And that is exactly why the creators of that sham video put their hook at the beginning of the video (a hook, to catch the attention of the viewers).

However, since West stated that he was asked by Ruby’s attorney, and there is no evidence that I am aware of that the court appointed him, I don’t give a rat’s behind about whatever else might be in that video.


So that makes it "okay" if West conducted weird experiments with LSD and possibly drugged people without their consent?

LSD became a something of a recreational drug later on in the sixties. I know people who conducted experiments on themselves with it and appeared to have fun doing it. It was wrong to experiment with people without their consent. But I haven’t seen any evidence that West did that.


Also, I think you're a bit gullible if you believe West worked on the MKULTRA project for over a decade yet had no idea who was running the program.

As you said, very few people that were in the CIA knew about this program. I believe that the few that knew and ran the program would make sure that West had no idea the CIA was funding the research.

His denial proves nothing just as LHO saying that "he didn't shoot anyone" proved nothing.

Unlike LHO’s claim, it isn’t just his denial. There is no evidence that I know of that he knew. And there is ample reason to believe that the CIA wouldn’t want him to know and would keep it hidden from him.


O'Neill never suggested that Oswald or Ruby were under "Mind-Control" at the time of the assassinations. His only theory, if you want to call it that, is that Jolly West might've induced Ruby to go insane prior to his Warren Commission interview.

I didn’t say that he did suggest anything about “mind control”. It was just a part of the note from Bugliosi’s book.

There were at least five different doctors who examined and evaluated Ruby’s mental condition over the period of time in question.  Dr. John Holbrook, Dr. Stubblefield, Dr. West, Dr. Tanay, and  Dr. William Robert Beavers all psychiatrists and outstanding men. If anyone wants to claim that Dr. West’s visit was the cause of Ruby’s mental decline, I invite them to point it out in the reports of the five psychiatrists. Otherwise it is just suspicions, conjecture, and innuendo.


Maybe watch the whole clip before making anymore assumptions...

No thanks…

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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2022, 02:47:54 PM »
I give Tucker credit for questioning the status quo.  Something the leftist press will never do.  He isn't always right but he is also not a parrot of what he is told or a propaganda arm of the state.  So CTers who believe they have evidence that Oswald "didn't come down the stairs" or think there is "credible evidence" to support Lifton's insane body alteration theory or altered autopsy results should provide that evidence to Tucker to share with the world.  Give it a try.  Don't limit yourself to an Internet forum.  Surely these folks believe their own claims enough to make them widely known.  Imagine believing that you have "evidence" that proves a conspiracy to assassinate a US president but never trying to make that case to the authorities or media.   I wonder why?
Sure, challenging the government on the release/withholding of these documents is welcome. You don't have to be a nutjob like the Garrisonites are to ask what's happening. My guess is that this is just people protecting their fannies, that these will show some corrupt dealings with the Mexican government, maybe the Mob. Embarrassing stuff. Nothing more. Tunheim of the ARRB said he's read all of this and there's nothing he saw that was related to the assassination.

But Carlson needs to challenge those who give their answers too. And none of this anonymous stuff either. It's not an invitation to go off into conspiracy crazyville and say whatever you want.  He needs to challenge them too and not uncritically accept their answers.

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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2022, 03:06:11 PM »
Since Tucker Carlson is not a neo-conservative Republican, it is not surprising that he is open-minded about the evidence of conspiracy in the JFK assassination. The majority of Republicans still believe in the Warren Commission's lone-gunman theory, as exemplified by Ben Shapiro's recent error-filled defense of the lone-nut view. Yes, probably about one-third of Republicans favor the conspiracy view, but the remainder do not.

Conversely, the majority of Democrats believe that JFK was killed by a conspiracy, while about one-fourth to one-third of Democrats lean toward the lone-gunman view.

In the history of national prime time TV, I don’t think anyone has ever talked about the JFK assassination the way Tucker did.

On the Left side of the aisle, Jeff Morley has been all over NBC and CNN pushing for Biden to release more files.

The fact that it’s becoming more acceptable to speculate about a conspiracy in the mainstream media is a positive sign. For decades, they have treated JFK assassination speculation as taboo.

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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2022, 03:21:04 PM »
Sure, challenging the government on the release/withholding of these documents is welcome. You don't have to be a nutjob like the Garrisonites are to ask what's happening. My guess is that this is just people protecting their fannies, that these will show some corrupt dealings with the Mexican government, maybe the Mob. Embarrassing stuff. Nothing more. Tunheim of the ARRB said he's read all of this and there's nothing he saw that was related to the assassination.

But Carlson needs to challenge those who give their answers too. And none of this anonymous stuff either. It's not an invitation to go off into conspiracy crazyville and say whatever you want.  He needs to challenge them too and not uncritically accept their answers.

What did Jon Stewart say about Tucker Carlson?

“You have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you've failed miserably,” Stewart said to Carlson.  “You need to get a job at a journalism school,” responded Carlson.
“You need to go to one,” Stewart fired back.
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« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2022, 03:30:42 PM »
Does Tucker Carlson know what FMJ ammo is designed to do?
Do any conspiracy freaks?
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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2022, 04:37:42 PM »
Does Tucker Carlson know what FMJ ammo is designed to do?
Do any conspiracy freaks?
Forget about the ammo - they don't know (or care) about any of these details - do they know who JFK was? They've created this mythical Arthurian JFK who was a threat to "the Establishment" or the "military industrial complex" and it was for that threat that they killed him. You know the old "He was pulling out of Vietnam" nonsense. No, he was not going to pull out of Vietnam at that time; he had just approved the removal of Diem and he and his people thought that American power/resources could win out.

The conspiracy believers have a mythical Oswald - he was really a CIA agent pretending to hold radical views - and a mythical JFK - he was really a critic of American foreign policy and was going to end the Cold War - and out of these myths they create this incredible conspiracy involving hundreds of people over decades. It's insanity.

The assassination is an instrument, an event, a tragedy that these people who are angry at the CIA or "the Establishment" use to go after them. Usually we have people on the hard left like Oliver Stone or hard right like Roger Stone.  Carlson is angry at the FBI and CIA for the Trump stuff. So are a lot of the Trumpian right (and some of their complaints have merit). The JFK assassination is the perfect vehicle for people to use to go after whatever monsters they have in their heads. It's why we have so many different explanations as to what happened. It was the CIA, no it was the Pentagon, no it was rich Texas oilmen, no it was the FBI, no it was LBJ. So many different culprits.
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Re: Tucker Carlson on the Kennedy Assassination
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2022, 05:22:13 PM »
Forget about the ammo - they don't know (or care) about any of these details - do they know who JFK was? They've created this mythical Arthurian JFK who was a threat to "the Establishment" or the "military industrial complex" and it was for that threat that they killed him. You know the old "He was pulling out of Vietnam" nonsense. No, he was not going to pull out of Vietnam at that time; he had just approved the removal of Diem and he and his people thought that American power/resources could win out.

The conspiracy believers have a mythical Oswald - he was really a CIA agent pretending to hold radical views - and a mythical JFK - he was really a critic of American foreign policy and was going to end the Cold War - and out of these myths they create this incredible conspiracy involving hundreds of people over decades. It's insanity.

The assassination is an instrument, an event, a tragedy that these people who are angry at the CIA or "the Establishment" use to go after them. Usually we have people on the hard left like Oliver Stone or hard right like Roger Stone.  Carlson is angry at the FBI and CIA for the Trump stuff. So are a lot of the Trumpian right (and some of their complaints have merit). The JFK assassination is the perfect vehicle for people to use to go after whatever monsters they have in their heads. It's why we have so many different explanations as to what happened. It was the CIA, no it was the Pentagon, no it was rich Texas oilmen, no it was the FBI, no it was LBJ. So many different culprits.

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« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2022, 05:22:13 PM »