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Online Charles Collins

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #104 on: February 04, 2023, 01:37:28 AM »
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Or they remembered the details better than you would like.  The three amigos weren't even on the fifth floor yet at 12:15, but BRW was on the sixth floor.


So?   


Mrs. ROWLAND. I saw some people either earlier or later looking out the windows.

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Offline Alan Ford

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« Reply #105 on: February 04, 2023, 10:27:12 AM »

Making up spombleprofglidnoctobuns is what you do. No surprise that you continue to deny so that you can continue to live in your fantasy world.


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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #106 on: February 04, 2023, 10:41:54 AM »

No ifs ands or buts about it, Brenan saw the sniper in the sixth floor window when the Bronson film segment was filmed and the ambulance was still there.

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Mr. BELIN. And then what did you do when you got to the southwest corner of Houston and Elm?
Mr. BRENNAN. I stayed around a couple of minutes. There was a man having an epileptic fit, a possibility of 20 yards east--south of this corner. And they were being attended by some civilians and officers, and I believe an ambulance picked him up.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. BRENNAN. And I walked over to this retainer wall of this little park pool and jumped up on the top ledge.
Mr. BELIN. You jumped up on the retaining wall?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes.
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Mr. BELIN. Mr. Brennan, could you please tell the Commission what happened from the time you sat on that retaining wall, what you saw?
Mr. BRENNAN. Well, I was more or less observing the crowd and the people in different building windows, including the fire escape across from the Texas Book Store on the east side of the Texas Book Store, and also the Texas Book Store Building windows. I observed quite a few people in different windows. In particular, I saw this one man on the sixth floor which left the window to my knowledge a couple of times.


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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #107 on: February 04, 2023, 01:05:57 PM »
From “Eyewitness to History”, by Howard L. Brenan, page 7:


  “Then, looking at the corner of the building, I noticed one man in the window. What drew my attention to him with all the other people in the area, I don’t know. I looked at my watch and it was about 12:22. As I watched him, he went away from the window for a few seconds and then returned. I thought perhaps he was doing a special job and had just broken away from it for a moment to see what was happening outside.

  There was nothing about this young man at first glance that seemed unusual. He appeared to be about average height, maybe 5’8’ to 5’10” and of average weight, tending more toward the slender side. I’m not good at guessing ages, but he seemed to be 25-35. He had on light colored clothing. The thing that caught my attention was that he was alone. Most others were sharing this magic moment with someone, but he was a solitary figure who seemed to be in his own little world. After watching him for a while, I turned to look at some of the others and noticed two black men in the window directly underneath the lone man. They were exactly the opposite. They were laughing, smiling, waving to all who could see them and “having the time of their lives.” It was a festive mood which everyone seemed to find contagious.

  After looking around at the crown for a few moments, I fastened my attention again on the curious young man who was alone on the sixth floor of the building. The most unusual thing about him, I decided, was his demeanor. It stood out in sharp contrast to that of everyone else. …

  …As I looked at the man, it struck me how unsmiling and calm he was. He didn’t seem to feel one bit of excitement. His face was almost expressionless. I couldn’t detect either happiness or hate. Again he left the window for a few seconds, but almost as quickly he resumed his position there. …

  …At about 12:26 the word spread that the Presidential motorcade was approaching…

  …I looked up at the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository where that quiet, strange man was hunched. He hadn’t changed his position or expression a bit. He was perfectly calm and his face revealed nothing out of the ordinary. …

  …Looking back, I know that the man was too calm, too unconcerned. If one can’t  become excited at seeing the President of the United States, I wondered what it would take to move him. But the thought of assassination never entered my mind. During the several minutes I studied him, our eyes never met and he didn’t know I was watching him. I have often wondered since that time what would have happened if he had known. Would he have changed his plan? I doubt it…He seemed not to be looking at anything in particular, rather gazing blankly into space, as if his mind were a thousand miles away. I’ve thought since that he was looking at hthe corner of Houston and Main from where the President would come. He seemed preoccupied. He left the window one last time for just a few seconds and then returned to his lonely vigil. At no time during all these many minutes did I see any rifle or anything that would have led me to believe that he was any kind of threat to the President.

  I heard the wail of sirens from cars that were slowly approaching the corner of Main and Houston and swung around in that direction. Everyone around me was trying to do the same thing. …

  …When the Presidential car moved just a few feet past where I was sitting, President Kennedy looked back to our side of the street. Just at that moment the whole joy and good will of the day was shattered by the sound of a shot. …

  …I looked up then at the Texas Book Depository Building. What I saw made my “blood run cold!”

  Poised in the corner window of the sixth floor was the same young man I had noticed several times before the motorcade arrived. There was one difference - this time he held a rifle in his hands, pointing toward the Presidential car. He steadied the rifle against the cornice and while he moved quickly, he didn’t seem to be in any kind of panic. All of this happened in the matter of a second or two. Then came the sickening sound of a second shot and I looked quickly back to the presidential car which had moved only a few feet, still not apparently aware that it was the assassin’s target. …

  …Just then a woman close to me screamed in full realization of what was happening. She uttered something like, “oh, my God!” But even as she did my eyes darted back to that solitary figure who was changing history. He was aiming again and I wanted to pray, to beg God to somehow make him miss his target. There wasn’t tome to pray, not even time to think about what I was seeing but the sight became so fixed in my mind that I’ll never forget it for as long as I live. … Then another shot rang out.

  All of this took only a few seconds. I didn’t realize at that moment that I was the only person who was actually watching the man firing the rifle.

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #108 on: February 04, 2023, 01:14:12 PM »
From “Eyewitness to History”, by Howard L. Brenan, page 7:


  “Then, looking at the corner of the building, I noticed one man in the window. What drew my attention to him with all the other people in the area, I don’t know. I looked at my watch and it was about 12:22.

One of many places in that book where he gilds the lily!

Representative Ford. Are those the positions where you were sitting on November 22?
Mr. BRENNAN. Yes, sir.
Representative FORD. At about 12
Mr. BRENNAN. From about 12:22 or 12:24 until the time of the assassination.


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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #109 on: February 04, 2023, 03:50:56 PM »
No, Strawman Nessan.  You can either prove that Oswald "built" a sniper's nest, or you cannot.

No, the claim was that it's not unusual for prints of employees who handle boxes to be on boxes.  It doesn't prove that they "built" anything.

Cite?

Latona said 3 days.

You don't know that.

Fingerprints cannot indicate such a thing.

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

 

No that was not your claim. I will quote it again for you. It was not about "handling" boxes it was about opening them and retrieving books. You are not able to tell what a box that was sealed looks like compared to when it is now opened up. This is not about all the boxes in the TSBD but just the four arranged by LHO to make a rifle rest and a place to sit. They were arranged to be used by the assassin. 

 

 

 

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2023, 06:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Jack Nessan on January 31, 2023, 04:47:37 PM

And LHO's fingerprints were found on the box. On this information alone it is hard to deny who was the assassin.
 

 
JI: Again, why?  Fingerprints on a box from an employee whose job was literally getting books out of boxes.  How odd.

 

This post is about him doing his job retrieving books out of boxes not just mindlessly placing his hands on boxes. 

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Again, there were three people on the 6th floor after everyone else left for lunch. Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.

 
If you feel the only other two men on the 6th floor, BRW or Givens, really built the SN now would be a really good time to elaborate. If not, it only leaves LHO as the person left who arranged the SN.

 
No, Latona, he worked for the FBI. It is not the FBI and Latona. 

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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #110 on: February 04, 2023, 04:29:58 PM »
I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

No that was not your claim. I will quote it again for you. It was not about "handling" boxes it was about opening them and retrieving books. You are not able to tell what a box that was sealed looks like compared to when it is now opened up. This is not about all the boxes in the TSBD but just the four arranged by LHO to make a rifle rest and a place to sit. They were arranged to be used by the assassin. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2023, 06:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Jack Nessan on January 31, 2023, 04:47:37 PM

And LHO's fingerprints were found on the box. On this information alone it is hard to deny who was the assassin.
 
JI: Again, why?  Fingerprints on a box from an employee whose job was literally getting books out of boxes.  How odd.

 
This post is about him doing his job retrieving books out of boxes not just mindlessly placing his hands on boxes. 

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Again, there were three people on the 6th floor after everyone else left for lunch. Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.
 
If you feel the only other two men on the 6th floor, BRW or Givens, really built the SN now would be a really good time to elaborate. If not, it only leaves LHO as the person left who arranged the SN.
 
No, Latona, he worked for the FBI. It is not the FBI and Latona.

I think the only strawman here is the individual who is always claiming everyone else is a strawman. Almost like being back in grade school with silly nicknames.

The term strawman is not a silly nickname. Could it be you don't know what the meaning of the term is?


Only LHO’s fingerprints were on the SN boxes. The same as his rifle, same as the bag.

None of this is true.

There were in fact latent prints on the boxes which could not be identified (conveniently only Oswald's prints were identified).

There was no print on (or even a trace of a print having been lifted of) the rifle when the FBI lab in Washington examined the weapon!

And the bag that was allegedly found at the S/N wasn't the one Frazier or Randle saw Oswald carry that morning. Because of the type of tape used to make the bag, it had to have been made at the TSBD and there is no evidence whatsoever it ever left the TSBD, making it just a bag made from TSBD materials and allegedly found at the TSBD. Oswald was never seen near the packing tables where the bag had to have been made, but we know for a fact that DPD officers were at that table and actually made a (allegedly duplicate) bag. Now what possible reason could they have had to make a duplicate of a bag, when they had the original?
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Re: When the SN was built
« Reply #111 on: February 04, 2023, 04:31:56 PM »
No ifs ands or buts about it, Brenan saw the sniper in the sixth floor window when the Bronson film segment was filmed and the ambulance was still there.

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