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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2023, 05:38:12 AM »
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When the FBI tried to duplicate the shots, they needed to add 3 shims to the scope to even hit the target. A sharpshooter would NEVER use a misaligned scope, especially if he planned to assassinate the POTUS.

So, the answer is no, it would not have been impossible to kill someone with that MC, however, hitting a moving target 2 of 3 times including a headshot at 88 yards, looking thru the wonky scope of a crap rifle is so improbable we should be able to rule it out, like Wecht does.

Those shots were easy

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2023, 06:12:29 AM »
Those shots were easy

With a grossly misaligned scope? Good luck with that. This isn't a spaghetti western and besides Oswald could not have taken those shots anyway and the MC was already planted by then. The DPD really dropped the ball when they didn't sight-in the scope before planting the rifle. They did shoot a few rounds into a swimming pool so they could retrieve the magic bullet and plant it on the wrong stretcher at the hospital. They needed a pristine bullet to magically show up that matched the ballistics of the MC. Yeah, the pristine bullet in your avatar, which is just ever so slightly deformed from striking the bottom of the pool. They made Guido jump in and go after it but nobody realized he couldn't swim ..but that's another story.


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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2023, 06:47:45 AM »
With a grossly misaligned scope? Good luck with that. This isn't a spaghetti western and besides Oswald could not have taken those shots anyway and the MC was already planted by then. The DPD really dropped the ball when they didn't sight-in the scope before planting the rifle. They did shoot a few rounds into a swimming pool so they could retrieve the magic bullet and plant it on the wrong stretcher at the hospital. They needed a pristine bullet to magically show up that matched the ballistics of the MC. Yeah, the pristine bullet in your avatar, which is just ever so slightly deformed from striking the bottom of the pool. They made Guido jump in and go after it but nobody realized he couldn't swim ..but that's another story.

All you're doing is kissing Oswald's arse
Oswald got what he deserved


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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2023, 02:29:51 PM »
With a grossly misaligned scope? Good luck with that. This isn't a spaghetti western and besides Oswald could not have taken those shots anyway and the MC was already planted by then. The DPD really dropped the ball when they didn't sight-in the scope before planting the rifle. They did shoot a few rounds into a swimming pool so they could retrieve the magic bullet and plant it on the wrong stretcher at the hospital. They needed a pristine bullet to magically show up that matched the ballistics of the MC. Yeah, the pristine bullet in your avatar, which is just ever so slightly deformed from striking the bottom of the pool. They made Guido jump in and go after it but nobody realized he couldn't swim ..but that's another story.

False premise.  You have no idea what condition the scope was in at the time Oswald fired the shots.  Even if you repeat this claim over and over again, it does not make it true.  You are confusing your subjective desire for it to be true with a fact.  And, of course, it wasn't even necessary for Oswald to have used the scope to commit this crime. 

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2023, 05:38:11 PM »
LHO did not use it to assassinate JFK.

Two of the bullets were definitively matched to the Carcano, so someone used that allegedly crappy rifle.

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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2023, 05:59:26 PM »
False premise.  You have no idea what condition the scope was in at the time Oswald fired the shots.  Even if you repeat this claim over and over again, it does not make it true.  You are confusing your subjective desire for it to be true with a fact.  And, of course, it wasn't even necessary for Oswald to have used the scope to commit this crime. 
You wouldn't know a false premise if it bit you in the arse. The false premise is that you assume the scope was in alignment during the shooting and wound up grossly misaligned once the FBI got hold of it. If the FBI said the scope required 3 shims to even hit the target you can't assume that the scope was ever aligned to fit your narrative. That's the false premise, dufus.

Otherwise, all you have is a lonely palm print on the barrel that allegedly matches Oswald, with much less certainty than the 14 point match of Malcolm Wallace's print found on a box on the 6th floor of the TSBD. But the FBI laughed it off, like you do, and simply responded with "Not a match".

You have nothing. There is zero evidence that Oswald shot that rifle and plenty of evidence that he didn't. No prints. Wonky scope. No gunshot residue. And there wasn't even a valid trajectory from the 6th floor, into JFK's back and out his throat. Sorry to back up my premises with facts. You should try it some time.


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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2023, 06:21:40 PM »
Two of the bullets were definitively matched to the Carcano, so someone used that allegedly crappy rifle.

There was only 1 bullet found that could be matched with ballistics to the MC. That was the magic bullet CE 399, which was planted on a gurney in the corridor of Parkland Hospital. The bullet had no blood or tissue on it and looked like it was shot into a swimming pool. It was pristine (no loss of material), which would have been impossible, had it been actually shot from the SN and smashed thru several bones. Someone needs to cite a study that repeats this to support or refute it..but I won't hold my breath.
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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2023, 01:35:34 AM »
There was only 1 bullet found that could be matched with ballistics to the MC. That was the magic bullet CE 399, which was planted on a gurney in the corridor of Parkland Hospital. The bullet had no blood or tissue on it and looked like it was shot into a swimming pool. It was pristine (no loss of material), which would have been impossible, had it been actually shot from the SN and smashed thru several bones. Someone needs to cite a study that repeats this to support or refute it..but I won't hold my breath.
1.) The base fragment found on the floor of SS100x  was also matched to CE139.

2.) CE399 is missing about 2.5 grains of material. See Lattimer's work on the average mass of the WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullets, as well as the results of his deforming one of these into the shape of CE399.

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Re: Challenge to Cyril Wecht
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2023, 01:35:34 AM »