Hoover-Johnson Transcript 11/23/63

[Richard Smith]

For sure Hoover knew way too much about Oswald a mere day later. His crackerjack team actually traced the rifle to imposter Oswald at the Soviet Embassy?? Are you serial? If this was a conspiracy, which it was, then Hoover would have to be in on it. The FBI controlled the SS and the DPD, who were instrumental in carrying out the Big Event. The last piece of the puzzle was Johnson, who appeared to be at the very least, complicit. The only thing Johnson was ever focused on was getting Oswald's confession. Not for 1 second did he concern himself that the Rooskies might have just assassinated the POTUS. Especially, when he got sworn in as POTUS on Air Force One, where I swear to god, he had a copy of the Oath of Office in his pocket, instead of the nuclear football. Nixon said it best. They were all animals, capable of anything.

There is nothing here that couldn't have been known to the FBI in 24 hours.  Oswald was under surveillance even BEFORE the assassination due to his nutty political background.  The documents and alias were traceable to him within that timeframe.  The rest here is just subjective speculation and false premises on your part. 

[Michael T. Griffith]

One revealing part of the full transcript is where Hoover tells LBJ that someone was impersonating Oswald in Mexico City.

[Richard Smith]

One revealing part of the full transcript is where Hoover tells LBJ that someone was impersonating Oswald in Mexico City.

Why would Hoover and LBJ even be having such a conversation if they were behind the assassination as alleged?  They would already know the facts if that were the case.  Wouldn't they just be congratulating each other on a private call?  The narrative makes no sense that this conversation somehow supports a conspiracy.  Hoover is simply providing the president with the information that he has at the very initial stage of the investigation.  Some of which was correct and some of which would prove incorrect.  If anything, this conversation demonstrates that Hoover had an open mind that others might be involved and did not focus just on Oswald.  Not that he was behind the assassination and/or some type of framing of Oswald.

[Mitch Todd]

Below is a transcript from a phone call between J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon B. Johnson November 23 1963, less than 24 hours after JFK was assassinated.

I don't want to debate whether both men could have possibly known all this info in that short a time period, because obviously they did. LNers will never be persuaded that LHO wasn't a lone nut anyway.

However, if you lean towards a conspiracy and Oswald was the patsy, then this transcript demonstrates how far up the ladder it went. Top rung. No wonder Johnson never appointed a VP.

What you're saying is that if we assume, a priori, that there was a conspiracy, then this explains something about the conspiracy that's we are assuming.

That's a lot to know and do less than a day later. WTF?

There's nothing surprising about it. The assassination quickly put in motion the combined investigative capabilities of the Dallas Police, Dallas County Sherriff's Department, FBI, Secret Service, USPS Postal Inspectors, CIA, and probably a few other agencies that I didn't mention. A small army of investigators can cover a lot territory in a small amount of time.

[Martin Weidmann]

Why would Hoover and LBJ even be having such a conversation if they were behind the assassination as alleged?  They would already know the facts if that were the case.  Wouldn't they just be congratulating each other on a private call?  The narrative makes no sense that this conversation somehow supports a conspiracy.  Hoover is simply providing the president with the information that he has at the very initial stage of the investigation.  Some of which was correct and some of which would prove incorrect.  If anything, this conversation demonstrates that Hoover had an open mind that others might be involved and did not focus just on Oswald.  Not that he was behind the assassination and/or some type of framing of Oswald.

You never cease to surprise you with your naive delusions.....

[Jack Trojan]

What you're saying is that if we assume, a priori, that there was a conspiracy, then this explains something about the conspiracy that's we are assuming.

There's nothing surprising about it. The assassination quickly put in motion the combined investigative capabilities of the Dallas Police, Dallas County Sherriff's Department, FBI, Secret Service, USPS Postal Inspectors, CIA, and probably a few other agencies that I didn't mention. A small army of investigators can cover a lot territory in a small amount of time.

Sure, but aren't you surprised that the Keystone Cops (DPD) managed to identify and capture Oswald within an hour after assassinating the POTUS. There were many records broken that day and Hoover and Johnson even appeared to be clairvoyant. Otherwise, they had surprisingly detailed knowledge of Oswald, who they were trying to link to the Kremlin as part of the coup, but they didn't seem at all concerned it might have been a precursor to WW3. But that's just my take because I'm convinced this was a conspiracy for many reasons. When I assume that, it allows me to flesh out motive, etc. and then everything fits. The magic bullet goes away. Oswald's lack of prints on everything. The backyard photos. Oswald's murder. The autopsy anomalies. The behavior of the SS, FBI and DPD.

Regarding the DPD, in what universe does a lead investigator to the assassination of the POTUS, Captain Will Fritz, notice 3 spent hulls on the floor of the sniper's nest, walks up to them, bends over and picks them up with his bare hands and places them in his pocket, then later tosses them on the floor for a photo-op? Maybe in your universe, not mine.

Regarding the SS, in what universe does the driver of the limo, Greer, hear gunshots striking the limo and slow it down to a near stop, turns around to look at JFK until he sees his head explode, then steps on the gas and hightails it outta Dodge? Was that in the SS manual?

Regarding the FBI, Hoover was the de-facto boss of the Mafia at the time and James Angleton possessed a very salacious photo of Hoover that brought him onboard.

Regarding the CIA, James Angleton was acting director of the CIA after Allen Dulles got fired by JFK. He was Dulles' right hand man and fellow Nazi who plucked Oswald from the CIA's fake defector program to be the patsy in the coup. The CIA assigned George de Mohrenschildt to be Oswald's handler and he was a proven Nazi. Dulles was the highest ranking Nazi sleeper cell and after getting fired he was not about to go quietly into the night. He was forced to make his move, which was to assassinate JFK and link it to the Kremlin to provoke WW3. The 4th Reich would then pick up the pieces in the aftermath. When you don't have nukes at your dispose, the 4th Reich had to take over from the inside using sleeper cells thru coup d'états and establishing autocracies.

The irony here is that what's left of the 4th Reich is the far right, which includes Putin and Trump, which is far more plausible than Oswald being a lone nut, IMHO.

[Richard Smith]

Sure, but aren't you surprised that the Keystone Cops (DPD) managed to identify and capture Oswald within an hour after assassinating the POTUS. There were many records broken that day and Hoover and Johnson even appeared to be clairvoyant. Otherwise, they had surprisingly detailed knowledge of Oswald, who they were trying to link to the Kremlin as part of the coup, but they didn't seem at all concerned it might have been a precursor to WW3. But that's just my take because I'm convinced this was a conspiracy for many reasons. When I assume that, it allows me to flesh out motive, etc. and then everything fits. The magic bullet goes away. Oswald's lack of prints on everything. The backyard photos. Oswald's murder. The autopsy anomalies. The behavior of the SS, FBI and DPD.

So many false premises and grafting of your biased subjective opinions onto the facts to reach a desired outcome.  The surprising thing here is not that Oswald was arrested in an hour, but that Oswald was not arrested immediately in the building.  He was very lucky to have escaped at all.  He had no means of transportation except access to public buses and with little money.  He was unlucky to have encountered Tippit.  His arrest was a result of the circumstances that played out in the aftermath of the assassination.  They are entirely indicative and consistent with Oswald's guilt including flight from the crime scene, murdering a police officer, and resisting arrest.  To suggest that these circumstances are somehow indicative of innocence is delusional.  And, again, neither Hoover nor LBJ discussed anything that would not have been known to them at the time.  You keep repeating that false claim. 

[Jack Trojan]

So many false premises and grafting of your biased subjective opinions onto the facts to reach a desired outcome.  The surprising thing here is not that Oswald was arrested in an hour, but that Oswald was not arrested immediately in the building.  He was very lucky to have escaped at all.  He had no means of transportation except access to public buses and with little money.  He was unlucky to have encountered Tippit.  His arrest was a result of the circumstances that played out in the aftermath of the assassination.  They are entirely indicative and consistent with Oswald's guilt including flight from the crime scene, murdering a police officer, and resisting arrest.  To suggest that these circumstances are somehow indicative of innocence is delusional.  And, again, neither Hoover nor LBJ discussed anything that would not have been known to them at the time.  You keep repeating that false claim. 

Your main problem, of many, is that you are a disinformationalist and your job is to mock the nutty CTers and dismiss any and all evidence that LHO wasn't a lone nut.  Your secondary problem is that you have no sense of logic or critical thinking. By your twisted logic, if something is possible, it is likely, otherwise, you have no measure of plausibility. Or you pretend that you don't so you can dismiss all the contradictions to your narrative. Typical MAGAT strategy.