Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

[Charles Collins]

It appears to me that the photo of the contents of the wallet was taken of an exhibit of the actual items. This exhibit was in 2013. Speculation that these items represent a complete accounting of all that was in the wallet when LHO was arrested is pure speculation.


As part of a new exhibit called Three Shots Were Fired marking the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination, the Newseum in Washington DC put on display several never-before-seen artifacts from that fateful day in November, including personal items that were in Oswald's possession on the day of his arrest.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307792/Inside-assassins-wallet-Never-seen-pictures-Lee-Harvey-Oswalds-personal-items-display.html

[Bill Brown]

It appears to me that the photo of the contents of the wallet was taken of an exhibit of the actual items. This exhibit was in 2013. Speculation that these items represent a complete accounting of all that was in the wallet when LHO was arrested is pure speculation.

That's exactly right, Charles.  It shouldn't need to be pointed out, but....

[John Mytton]

The reality is that the Hidell ID wasn't even needed because yet another piece of evidence linking Oswald with his A J Hidell alias is the New Orleans post box application which was opened way back in June.



Mr. BELIN. How did you know about the use of the name A. J. Hidell?
Mr. HOLMES. When the box was opened in the name of Lee H. Oswald. Because for two reasons. I---one is, when he rented the post office box in New Orleans, he used the name of A. J. Hidell as one of the persons entitled to receive mail in that box.
Mr. BELIN. At that time did you know about that?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, what else?
Mr. HOLMES. In his billfold the police had found a draft registration card in the name of A. J. Hidell on his person at the time of his arrest, and I had seen it.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

It appears to me that the photo of the contents of the wallet was taken of an exhibit of the actual items. This exhibit was in 2013. Speculation that these items represent a complete accounting of all that was in the wallet when LHO was arrested is pure speculation.


As part of a new exhibit called Three Shots Were Fired marking the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination, the Newseum in Washington DC put on display several never-before-seen artifacts from that fateful day in November, including personal items that were in Oswald's possession on the day of his arrest.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2307792/Inside-assassins-wallet-Never-seen-pictures-Lee-Harvey-Oswalds-personal-items-display.html

That's exactly right, Charles.  It shouldn't need to be pointed out, but....

Why would they display the content of the wallet and leave out the most incriminating document?

Speculation that these items represent a complete accounting of all that was in the wallet when LHO was arrested is pure speculation.

Speculation that these items don't represent a complete accounting of all that was in the wallet when LHO was arrested is pure speculation.

But let's examine what we do know, shall we?

Paul Bentley takes the wallet from Oswald in the car and never mentions finding a Hidell ID. Not even in the report he wrote on December 3, 1963.
None of the other men in the car mention hearing Bentley say anything about finding an identificiation in another name than Oswald. They also do not mention it in their reports and during several months thereafter.
According to the FBI memo I have referred to, the DPD forgot to take pictures of the wallet and the content. They ask the FBI for photographs and mention photos of Marina and a baby and a few other items but they fail to mention the Hidell ID.

With all this in mind, just how likely is it that the fake Hidell ID was indeed in the wallet Bentley took from Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

The reality is that the Hidell ID wasn't even needed because yet another piece of evidence linking Oswald with his A J Hidell alias is the New Orleans post box application which was opened way back in June.



Mr. BELIN. How did you know about the use of the name A. J. Hidell?
Mr. HOLMES. When the box was opened in the name of Lee H. Oswald. Because for two reasons. I---one is, when he rented the post office box in New Orleans, he used the name of A. J. Hidell as one of the persons entitled to receive mail in that box.
Mr. BELIN. At that time did you know about that?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right, what else?
Mr. HOLMES. In his billfold the police had found a draft registration card in the name of A. J. Hidell on his person at the time of his arrest, and I had seen it.

JohnM

You take stupidity to another level, John.

If Oswald was indeed manipulated by somebody he knew as A. Hidell, that manipulation would have started in Dallas, prior to his stay in New Orleans. If Oswald had already filled out the Kleins' order form etc as result of that manipulation, in early 1963, it wouldn't be strange for him to put Hidell's name on the p.o. box in New Orleans. He used that name of some of the leaflets as well. Hidell may well have been an alias, but one being used by the person who was setting Oswald up. You can dismiss that, but you can not conclusively rule that out.

You keep calling it the Hidell alias but it is in no way certain that's what it actually is. Calling it an alias, without considering other options, only shows that you have swallowed the result of the potential manipulation hook, line and sinker.

[John Mytton]

You take stupidity to another level, John.

If Oswald was indeed manipulated by somebody he knew as A. Hidell, that manipulation would have started in Dallas, prior to his stay in New Orleans. If Oswald had already filled out the Kleins' order form etc as result of that manipulation, in early 1963, it wouldn't be strange for him to put Hidell's name on the p.o. box in New Orleans. He used that name of some of the leaflets as well. Hidell may well have been an alias, but one being used by the person who was setting Oswald up. You can dismiss that, but you can not conclusively rule that out.

You keep calling it the Hidell alias but it is in no way certain that's what it actually is. Calling it an alias, with considering other options, only shows that you have swallowed the result of the potential manipulation hook, line and sinker.

You take stupidity to another level, John.

You're very predictable Martin, the level of aggressiveness of your opening salvo is inversely proportional to your level of confidence in your argument.

If Oswald was indeed manipulated by somebody he knew as A. Hidell, that manipulation would have started in Dallas, prior to his stay in New Orleans. If Oswald had already filled out the Kleins' order form etc as result of that manipulation, in early 1963, it wouldn't be strange for him to put Hidell's name on the p.o. box in New Orleans. He used that name of some of the leaflets as well. Hidell may well have been an alias, but one being used by the person who was setting Oswald up. You can dismiss that, but you can not conclusively rule that out.

And as predicted your argument is weak sauce, so from a point at least eight months before the assassination Oswald was manipulated into buying a rifle, buying a revolver, having his photo taken with a rifle and a revolver, handing out leaflets with the name Hidell, having and carrying a Hidell ID with his photo, accepting mail in New Orleans for A J Hidell, storing the retouched negatives that created the Hidell ID, coincidentally Alek was Oswald's nickname in Russia and when seeking employment in New Orleans, Oswald listed a "Sgt. Robt. Hidell" as a reference on one job application 39 and "George Hidell" as a reference on another and finally Hidell is obviously a play on Fidel(Oswald's hero).

You keep calling it the Hidell alias but it is in no way certain that's what it actually is. Calling it an alias, with considering other options, only shows that you have swallowed the result of the potential manipulation hook, line and sinker.

What other options can possibly cover all my above authentic examples?
Btw have you considered Aliens from Alpha Centauri, that's just as likely? Hehehe!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

You're very predictable Martin, the level of aggressiveness of your opening salvo is inversely proportional to your level of confidence in your argument.

And as predicted your argument is weak sauce, so from a point at least eight months before the assassination Oswald was manipulated into buying a rifle, buying a revolver, having his photo taken with a rifle and a revolver, handing out leaflets with the name Hidell, having and carrying a Hidell ID with his photo, accepting mail in New Orleans for A J Hidell, storing the retouched negatives that created the Hidell ID, coincidentally Alek was Oswald's nickname in Russia and when seeking employment in New Orleans, Oswald listed a "Sgt. Robt. Hidell" as a reference on one job application 39 and "George Hidell" as a reference on another and finally Hidell is obviously a play on Fidel(Oswald's hero).

What other options can possibly cover all my above authentic examples?
Btw have you considered Aliens from Alpha Centauri, that's just as likely? Hehehe!

JohnM

Thank for your sharing your predictable opinion.

[John Mytton]

Thank for your sharing your predictable opinion.

Wow, a Martin response without a vulgar insult, maybe there is hope for you.

JohnM