Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

[John Mytton]

The evidence that Oswald at various times was questioned about the Hidell Identification that Oswald had on his person is beyond all doubt.

Irrelevant. The fake Hidell ID exists and, yes, Oswald was asked about it, but that doesn't answer my question.

My post wasn't put forth to answer your question, in fact I never even read your question!

But I have now, and for a start no matter what is said, you will never "shut up", because when cornered you usually play the "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked", you can't help yourself.

And secondly Oswald begrudgingly admitted to several law enforcement officers that he was carrying the Hidell ID so why on Earth would they swap the Hidel ID with the Hidell ID, it doesn't make sense?

JohnM

[Charles Collins]

The evidence that Oswald at various times was questioned about the Hidell Identification that Oswald had on his person is beyond all doubt.

We have The Chief of Police, The Captain of the Dallas Police Department, US Postal Inspector, A Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Dallas Police officers who all testified that Oswald was questioned about the Hidell Identification.

Mr. STERN - What sort of question would he refuse to answer? Was there any pattern to his refusing?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, now, I am not certain whether this would apply then to this particular interview, the first interview or not, in answering this, but I recall specifically one of the interviews asking him about the Selective Service card which he had in the name of Hidell, and he admitted that he was carrying the card, but that he would not admit that he wrote the signature of Hidell on the card, and at that point stated that he refused to discuss the matter further. I think generally you might say anytime that you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss.

Mr. BELIN. All right, what else?
Mr. HOLMES. In his billfold the police had found a draft registration card in the name of A. J. Hidell on his person at the time of his arrest, and I had seen it.
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Mr. BELIN. Was anything in that room--was he asked about knowing Alek Hidell? Or anything about Alek Hidell?
Mr. HOLMES. I brought it up first as to did he ever have a package sent to him from anywhere. I said, "Did you receive mail through this box 2915 under the name of any other name than Lee Oswald," and he said, "Absolutely not."
"What about a package to an A. J. Hidell?"
He said, "No."
"Well, did you order a gun in that name to come there?"
"No, absolutely not."
"Had one come under that name, could this fellow have gotten it?"
He said, "Nobody got mail out of that box but me; no, sir." "Maybe my wife, but I couldn't say for sure whether my wife ever got mail, but it is possible she could have."
"Well, who is A. J. Hidell?" I asked him.
And he said, "I don't know any such person."
I showed him the box rental application for the post office box in New Orleans and I read from it. I said, "Here this shows as being able to receive, being entitled to receive mail is Marina Oswald." And he said, "Well, that is my wife, so what?"
And I said also it says "A. J. Hidell."
"Well, I don't know anything about that."
That is all he would say about it.
Then Captain Fritz interrupted and said, "Well, what about this card we got out of your billfold? This draft registration card, he called it, where it showed A. J. Hidell."
"Well, that is the only time that I recall he kind of flared up and he said, "Now, I have told you all I am going to tell you about that card in my billfold." He said, "You have the card yourself, and you know as much about it as I do." And he showed a little anger. Really the only time that he flared up.

Mr. BALL. Another thing, that day, at sometime during the 22d when you questioned Oswald, didn't you ask him about this card he had in his pocket with the name Alek Hidell?
Mr. FRITZ. I did; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you ask him about that?
Mr. FRITZ. I believe he had three of those cards if I remember correctly, and he told me that was the name that he picked up in New Orleans that he had used sometimes. One of the cards looked like it might have been altered a little bit and one of them I believe was the Fair Play for Cuba and one looked like a social security card or something.

Mr. LEAVELLE. Since you mentioned it, I do remember them talking to him about the New Orleans box and asking him about this other name, this----
Mr. BALL. Alek Hidell?
Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes; and he asked him if he knew Alek Hidell; said he didn't know if he ever heard of the name. He never heard of that and asked him several questions along that line and then after he had denied all knowledge of Alek Hidell, Mr. Kelley asked him, said "Well, isn't it a fact when you were arrested you had an identification card with his name on it in your possession." He kind of grunted, said "Yes, that's right" and he said "How do you explain that?" And, as best my knowledge. he said "I don't explain it."

Mr. BALL. He didn't tell you it was Oswald?
Mr. ROSE. No; he didn't, not right then--he did later. In a minute--I found two cards--I found a card that said "A. Hidell." And I found another card that said "Lee Oswald" on it, and I asked him which of the two was his correct name. He wouldn't tell me at the time, he just said, "You find out." And then in just a few minutes Captain Fritz came in and he told me to get two men and go to Irving and search his house.

Mr. DULLES - Could I ask a question? What was Oswald's attitude toward the police? Have you any comment on that?
Mr. CURRY - The only things I heard him say, he was very arrogant. He was very--he had a dislike for authority, it seemed, of anyone. He denied anything you asked him. I heard them ask once or twice if this was his picture or something, he said, "I don't know what you are talking about. No; it is not my picture," and this was a picture of him holding a rifle or something. I remember one time they showed him and he denied that being him.
I remember he denied anything knowing anything about a man named Hidell that he had this identification in his pocket or in his notebook, and I believe a postal inspector was in this room at the time, too, and someone asked him about the fact that he had a post office box in the name of Hidell and he didn't know anything about that. He just didn't know anything about anything.



JohnM

Here’s an image of the card that LHO was apparently issued by the SSA and allegedly used to create the fake one with the Hidell name.



https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339690/

The similarities between the two cards suggest to me that the “allegedly” in the above sentence should be eliminated.

[John Mytton]

Here’s an image of the card that LHO was apparently issued by the SSA and allegedly used to create the fake one with the Hidell name.



https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339690/

The similarities between the two cards suggest to me that the “allegedly” in the above sentence should be eliminated.

The similarities between the two cards suggest to me that the “allegedly” in the above sentence should be eliminated.

 

And here's the negatives that were used to manufacture the fake Hidell identification that were discovered amongst Oswald's possessions



Mr. EISENBERG. That will be marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 20. (The document referred to was marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 20.)
Mr. CADIGAN. And by referring to the Cadigan Exhibit No. 20, which shows the retouching, examination of the area in the word "President" will show where the portion of the "r" has been cut off. It will show where the capital letter "I" appears in the space provided "been classified in Class," the "I" being' part of the classification, Roman numeral "IV-A," which appears on the original card.
Cadigan Exhibit No. 20 shows, also, the intermediate negative where the size of the warning appearing on the bottom of the card was reduced, and the additional retouching made that causes the distorted appearance of the word "violation" on the Commission Exhibit No. 795, so that it was based on my comparison side by side of the negatives; the photographic print, and the original exhibit in the wallet of Oswald, which enabled me to determine that this Commission Exhibit No. 795 was a fraudulent counterfeit made from retouched negatives which, in turn, were made from the original exhibits, Commission Exhibits Nos. 801 and 802.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

My post wasn't put forth to answer your question, in fact I never even read your question!

But I have now, and for a start no matter what is said, you will never "shut up", because when cornered you usually play the "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked", you can't help yourself.

And secondly Oswald begrudgingly admitted to several law enforcement officers that he was carrying the Hidell ID so why on Earth would they swap the Hidel ID with the Hidell ID, it doesn't make sense?

JohnM

But I have now, and for a start no matter what is said, you will never "shut up", because when cornered you usually play the "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked", you can't help yourself.

I have never said "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked".

LNs always go with this BS when they have nothing. It's an admission of a total lack of credible evidence.

And secondly Oswald begrudgingly admitted to several law enforcement officers that he was carrying the Hidell ID

No he didn't. There is no record for such an admission and the usual "a police man said it" is just BS.

it doesn't make sense?

Of course it makes no sense, when you start with a lie.

Given the number of lies and misrepresentations you've told and made over the years you really should understand that by now, but it seems you still don't.

[Charles Collins]

And here's the negatives that were used to manufacture the fake Hidell identification that were discovered amongst Oswald's possessions



Mr. EISENBERG. That will be marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 20. (The document referred to was marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 20.)
Mr. CADIGAN. And by referring to the Cadigan Exhibit No. 20, which shows the retouching, examination of the area in the word "President" will show where the portion of the "r" has been cut off. It will show where the capital letter "I" appears in the space provided "been classified in Class," the "I" being' part of the classification, Roman numeral "IV-A," which appears on the original card.
Cadigan Exhibit No. 20 shows, also, the intermediate negative where the size of the warning appearing on the bottom of the card was reduced, and the additional retouching made that causes the distorted appearance of the word "violation" on the Commission Exhibit No. 795, so that it was based on my comparison side by side of the negatives; the photographic print, and the original exhibit in the wallet of Oswald, which enabled me to determine that this Commission Exhibit No. 795 was a fraudulent counterfeit made from retouched negatives which, in turn, were made from the original exhibits, Commission Exhibits Nos. 801 and 802.

JohnM

 

Also:

Paul Bentley, “No More Silence”, page 287:

Shortly after we left the theater I took Oswald’s wallet out of his left rear pocket which contained two or three identification cards. One of the names listed was Lee Harvey Oswald; the other was Hidell.

[Martin Weidmann]

 

Also:

Paul Bentley, “No More Silence”, page 287:

Shortly after we left the theater I took Oswald’s wallet out of his left rear pocket which contained two or three identification cards. One of the names listed was Lee Harvey Oswald; the other was Hidell.

He just forgot to tell anybody that on the day it happened or write a report about it..... He's trying to re-write history!   

[John Mytton]

But I have now, and for a start no matter what is said, you will never "shut up", because when cornered you usually play the "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked", you can't help yourself.

I have never said "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked".

LNs always go with this BS when they have nothing. It's an admission of a total lack of credible evidence.

And secondly Oswald begrudgingly admitted to several law enforcement officers that he was carrying the Hidell ID

No he didn't. There is no record for such an admission and the usual "a police man said it" is just BS.

it doesn't make sense?

Of course it makes no sense, when you start with a lie.

Given the number of lies and misrepresentations you've told and made over the years you really should understand that by now, but it seems you still don't.

I have never said "they all lied" and/or "the physical evidence is faked".

I never said that you used those specific words.

and the usual "a police man said it" is just BS.

And just as I did say and before you even finished your reply, when you're cornered you have already pulled the "they all lied"! You must be the dumbest CT on the Planet, HILARIOUS!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

I never said that you used those specific words.

And just as I did say and before you even finished your reply, when you're cornered you have already pulled the "they all lied"! You must be the dumbest CT on the Planet, HILARIOUS!

JohnM

I never said that you used those specific words.

Then why did you put them in quotation marks?

And just as I did say and before you even finished your reply, when you're cornered you have already pulled the "they all lied"! You must be the dumbest CT on the Planet, HILARIOUS!

First of all, I am not cornered, and secondly I didn't pull anything of the sort. You may be stupidly prepared to blindly accept what police officers say, when there isn't a shred of evidence to support it, but I'm not. Even more so when none of the officers involved said anything about a fake Hidell ID for nearly six months and when they did say something in their testimony it was extremely vague.

Now, can you show me in which report it says that "Oswald begrudgingly admitted to several law enforcement officers that he was carrying the Hidell ID", or not?