Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

[John Iacoletti]

You gotta love it when LNs cite the HSCA but ignore their conclusion that the WC/FBI investigation was seriously flawed and then attack the HSCA over their findings of a 4th shot from the Grassy Knoll.

Exactly.

“‘Gubmint thought so’ is good enough for me! Except when it isn’t.”

[Zeon Mason]

The WC timeline of Oswalds actions is a simple to understand timeline that works as long as one is willing to ignore/dismiss key witnesses like Dorothy Garner, and Carolyn Arnold, Victoria Adams, Sandra Styles, and about 2/3rds of the ear witnesses who heard the last 2 shots fired too close together to be plausibly coming from an old MC bolt action rifle.

Some witnesses like Harold Norman, who spaced the 3 shots spread in about 4 secs of time (approx) per recorded interviews as well as his testimony at a mock trial (Bugliosi v Spence) , are accepted partly , but dismissed otherwise whenever they state something that upsets the basic simple theory that Oswald was the lone assassin.

Other witnesses like Bob Jackson, and Malcolm Couch whom both saw a rifle being “slowly withdrawn” from the 6th floor SE window of TSBD, seem to have been left out of the timeline equation probably because the additional time added to the escape from the 6th floor to 2nd floor lunchroom makes it virtually impossible for Oswald to ever have descended to the 2nd floor landing by 75 secs or even 85 secs post shots.

Then there are the witnesses statement related to the Tippet scene such as Markam, Bowley , and Benevides, as well as the  1:15 pm DOA document from the emergency room doctor , which establishes a timeline of Tippet being shot approx 1:07 pm.

Then the timeline conflict of the bus transfer ticket being issued not earlier than 15 minutes prior to the expiration time of 1:00pm (= issued at 12:45) would make it impossible for Oswald to be entering Walleys taxi between 12:30-12:45 (per Walleys manifest.)So the bus driver McWatters, the dutiful employee who made it evident from his WC testimony how he followed the company rules,just conveniently in this one particular way, violates the ticket rules and issues tickets well… maybe just a little earlier than 12:45…

So the mountain of evidence is really just a mountain of “fuzzy facts” that can be listed in a way which makes it appear to be a logical argument, but really is just a phantom construction that omits all other facts and statements which contradict the theory.

[John Mytton]

A direct quote from the report;

"The committe found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy"

Now, what part of that finding did you not understand?

You gotta love it when LNs cite the HSCA but ignore their conclusion that the WC/FBI investigation was seriously flawed and then attack the HSCA over their findings of a 4th shot from the Grassy Knoll.

Guys like you are so pathetic. Trying to score a quick point but when it comes down to it running away from any serious opposition. Oops, did I just describe a troll?.... Yeah it seems I did.

Guys like you are so pathetic.

Why shoot the messenger and why so angry?

Let's start with the HSCA's Number One finding that "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President." and don't you forget it!

A direct quote from the report;

"The committe found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy"

"probably killed as a result of conspiracy"

"probably" doesn't sound that they were so sure of any conspiracy!

And always remember that 15 years later they couldn't find from any evidence available to them that the Soviets, Cuban Government, anti Castro Cuban groups, national syndicate of organized crime were involved and concluded that "The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy"!
But they do concede "that does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved." Wow Thats some rock solid evidence of Conspiracy? LOL

But go ahead and rely on "probably" and "may have been" and completely ignore the HSCA's Number One Conclusion "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."
 

You gotta love it when LNs cite the HSCA but ignore their conclusion that the WC/FBI investigation was seriously flawed and then attack the HSCA over their findings of a 4th shot from the Grassy Knoll.

Personally I'd find it real interesting to have a real recording from the time of the shots but the dictabelt acoustic evidence was completely flawed and our very own member of this Forum, Steve Barber was an integral part of their findings, the motorbikes were in the wrong place, the motobikes sounds were wrong, the sirens didn't correspond, the timing was off, no crowd sounds etc etc etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_Dictabelt_recording

Trying to score a quick point but when it comes down to it running away from any serious opposition.

The primary reason we are here is to establish who shot JFK, and the HSCA's number One Conclusion was "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

Oops, did I just describe a troll?.... Yeah it seems I did.

Again with the unwarranted hostility? Take a deep breath and never forget the HSCA's number One Conclusion was "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

Thank you for your time.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

The WC timeline of Oswalds actions is a simple to understand timeline that works as long as one is willing to ignore/dismiss key witnesses like Dorothy Garner, and Carolyn Arnold, Victoria Adams, Sandra Styles, and about 2/3rds of the ear witnesses who heard the last 2 shots fired too close together to be plausibly coming from an old MC bolt action rifle.

Some witnesses like Harold Norman, who spaced the 3 shots spread in about 4 secs of time (approx) per recorded interviews as well as his testimony at a mock trial (Bugliosi v Spence) , are accepted partly , but dismissed otherwise whenever they state something that upsets the basic simple theory that Oswald was the lone assassin.

Other witnesses like Bob Jackson, and Malcolm Couch whom both saw a rifle being “slowly withdrawn” from the 6th floor SE window of TSBD, seem to have been left out of the timeline equation probably because the additional time added to the escape from the 6th floor to 2nd floor lunchroom makes it virtually impossible for Oswald to ever have descended to the 2nd floor landing by 75 secs or even 85 secs post shots.

Then there are the witnesses statement related to the Tippet scene such as Markam, Bowley , and Benevides, as well as the  1:15 pm DOA document from the emergency room doctor , which establishes a timeline of Tippet being shot approx 1:07 pm.

Then the timeline conflict of the bus transfer ticket being issued not earlier than 15 minutes prior to the expiration time of 1:00pm (= issued at 12:45) would make it impossible for Oswald to be entering Walleys taxi between 12:30-12:45 (per Walleys manifest.)So the bus driver McWatters, the dutiful employee who made it evident from his WC testimony how he followed the company rules,just conveniently in this one particular way, violates the ticket rules and issues tickets well… maybe just a little earlier than 12:45…

So the mountain of evidence is really just a mountain of “fuzzy facts” that can be listed in a way which makes it appear to be a logical argument, but really is just a phantom construction that omits all other facts and statements which contradict the theory.

Hi Zeon, it's a pleasant change to deal with a calm and well meaning critic.

As for Harold Norman, he heard the bolt action of the rifle and 3 shells hit the floor, all of which match the evidence found on the floor above and as for the timing he says that the shots were evenly spaced, I can't find any interview where Norman indicates the timing between the first and last shots? He describes the Boom click click Boom click click Boom click click but is just describing the sounds and the last click click is verified by the still chambered bullet.

Btw have a great day!

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Why shoot the messenger and why so angry?

Let's start with the HSCA's Number One finding that "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President." and don't you forget it!

"probably killed as a result of conspiracy"

"probably" doesn't sound that they were so sure of any conspiracy!

And always remember that 15 years later they couldn't find from any evidence available to them that the Soviets, Cuban Government, anti Castro Cuban groups, national syndicate of organized crime were involved and concluded that "The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy"!
But they do concede "that does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved." Wow Thats some rock solid evidence of Conspiracy? LOL

But go ahead and rely on "probably" and "may have been" and completely ignore the HSCA's Number One Conclusion "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."
 
Personally I'd find it real interesting to have a real recording from the time of the shots but the dictabelt acoustic evidence was completely flawed and our very own member of this Forum, Steve Barber was an integral part of their findings, the motorbikes were in the wrong place, the motobikes sounds were wrong, the sirens didn't correspond, the timing was off, no crowd sounds etc etc etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_Dictabelt_recording

The primary reason we are here is to establish who shot JFK, and the HSCA's number One Conclusion was "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

Again with the unwarranted hostility? Take a deep breath and never forget the HSCA's number One Conclusion was "1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

Thank you for your time.

JohnM

So many words and nothing of any interest or significance. You really like wasting your time with this BS, don't you?

The HSCA: "(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight"

Deal with it.

[John Mytton]

So many words and nothing of any interest or significance. You really like wasting your time with this BS, don't you?

The HSCA: "(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight"

Deal with it.

Sorry Martin but the HSCA did "deal with it" and let's look at their conclusion.

"The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy"

"probably" doesn't sound like they were so sure of any conspiracy, does it! LOLOLOL

And always remember that 15 years later the HSCA couldn't find from any evidence available to them that the Soviets, Cuban Government, anti Castro Cuban groups, national syndicate of organized crime were involved and concluded that "The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy"!
But they do concede "that does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved."
Wow thats some rock solid evidence of Conspiracy? LOL

But go ahead and rely on "probably" and "may have been" and completely ignore the HSCA's Number One Conclusion
"1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

 
 

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Sorry Martin but the HSCA did "deal with it" and let's look at their conclusion.

"The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy"

"probably" doesn't sound like they were so sure of any conspiracy, does it! LOLOLOL

And always remember that 15 years later the HSCA couldn't find from any evidence available to them that the Soviets, Cuban Government, anti Castro Cuban groups, national syndicate of organized crime were involved and concluded that "The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of Kennedy"!
But they do concede "that does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved."
Wow thats some rock solid evidence of Conspiracy? LOL

But go ahead and rely on "probably" and "may have been" and completely ignore the HSCA's Number One Conclusion
"1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy. The second and third shots Oswald fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President."

 
 

JohnM

The self-appointed "seeker of truth" cherry picks the evidence he likes..... Go figure!

[John Mytton]

The self-appointed "seeker of truth" cherry picks the evidence he likes..... Go figure!

Sorry Martin, but the HSCA went all out to rectify any past perceived mistakes and could only come up with a probable conspiracy that may have involved individual members. Hardy haha!

But keep isolating the HSCA words that you think prove something but at the end of the day, the HSCA couldn't find anything. LOL

And the Conspiracy community is still searching with many times the manpower and there is still nothing.

Good luck, because you're gonna need it!!!

JohnM