Who Killed J.D. Tippit?

[Martin Weidmann]

Indeed, Mr. Weidmann, but there is another possibility, which Mr. Greg Doudna has put forward: Mrs. Roberts correctly perceived/remembered the blue-gray jacket as 'dark' but misperceived/misremembered it as just 'gray'. Mr. Oswald had this dark blue-gray jacket on when he went into the Texas Theatre. He took it off inside, and the 'investigating' authorities later engineered its 'discovery' in the TSBD. The Tippit fairytale (LHO shoots Tippit--LHO flees down Patton--LHO discards jacket in parking lot) needed folks to believe that Mr. Oswald was wearing CE162 as he left the rooming-house.

What would support this scenario is the anomaly of Mr. Frazier clearly recalling that Mr. Oswald had his gray flannel-looking jacket on that morning. If he's right, and if the blue-gray jacket really was found (without shenanigans) by Mr. Frankie Kaiser several days later in the TSBD, then we have Mr. Oswald leaving his jacket behind in the domino room when he left work on some day prior to 11/22. Which is, well, a little odd.............

As we are talking about possibilities, here's another one.

A DPD officer, who until today has remained unidentified, finds a jacket under a car. In several radio communications the jacket is described as being white. Captain Westbrook arrives at the scene, but hasn't got much time because he goes on to the TSBD. Westbrook turns over the jacket to another unidentified officer at which point the white jacket disappears. Nobody knows how it made it's way to the DPD office. When this is going on, the first search of Ruth Paine's house is also taking place. Just about at the same time the officers who conducted that search get back to the DPD office, Captain Westbrook suddenly shows up with the light gray jacket, with initials on it from officers never handled that jacket and were no part of the chain of custody, and submits it to the evidence room.

See where this is going?

[Alan Ford]

As we are talking about possibilities, here's another one.

A DPD officer, who until today has remained unidentified, finds a jacket under a car. In several radio communications the jacket is described as being white. Captain Westbrook arrives at the scene, but hasn't got much time because he goes on to the TSBD. Westbrook turns over the jacket to another unidentified officer at which point the white jacket disappears. Nobody knows how it made it's way to the DPD office. When this is going on, the first search of Ruth Paine's house is also taking place. Just about at the same time the officers who conducted that search get back to the DPD office, Captain Westbrook suddenly shows up with the light gray jacket, with initials on it from officers never handled that jacket and were no part of the chain of custody, and submits it to the evidence room.

See where this is going?

Not sure I quite follow here, Mr. Weidmann.........

So this jacket disappears--------------



-------------and the "gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket" which Mr. Frazier saw on Mr. Oswald that morning ends up as CE162?

[Martin Weidmann]

Not sure I quite follow here, Mr. Weidmann.........

So this jacket disappears--------------



-------------and the "gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket" which Mr. Frazier saw on Mr. Oswald that morning ends up as CE162?

"Disappears" as in nobody knows who the officer was that Westbrook gave the "white" jacket and/or how it got to the DPD office, where Westbrook suddenly presented it to the evidence room as a light gray jacket.

I don't know of the jacket Frazier saw morphed in CE162, I just wonder how it could have done. If Oswald was wearing a light gray jacket to Irving on Thursday evening, I don't see any way how that same gray jacket could be in Irving on Friday at 1 PM.

[Alan Ford]

I don't know of the jacket Frazier saw morphed in CE162, I just wonder how it could have done. If Oswald was wearing a light gray jacket to Irving on Thursday evening, I don't see any way how that same gray jacket could be in Irving on Friday at 1 PM.

Well, exactly. Mr. Frazier puts Mr. Oswald in a "gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket" the morning of 11/22. So it has left Irving.

When shown CE162 and CE163, Mr. Frazier is positive that neither is the jacket he saw Mr. Oswald in that morning.

Thus we have three jackets:
1. CE162 (allegedly found in the parking lot)
2. CE163 (allegedly found in the TSBD)
3. The flannel, wool-looking gray jacket Mr. Oswald wore to work that morning.

If, as Mrs. Roberts recalled, Mr. Oswald was wearing a dark jacket when he left the rooming-house, then CE163 is the only candidate for that jacket.

CE162 never was worn by Mr. Oswald, but the 'investigating' authorities were desperate to put it on him as he left the rooming house.

As for the flannel, wool-looking gray jacket which Mr. Oswald wore to work that morning, it vanished from the face of the earth. Not it, but CE163 was 'discovered' in the domino room several days after the assassination. Something smells!

N.B. Mrs. Roberts told FBI on 27 Nov that when Mr. Oswald entered the rooming house he was wearing a "light colored shirt... and no jacket". This suggests that he left the gray wool-looking flannel jacket behind in the TSBD after the assassination. The point of the 'discovery' of CE163 in the TSBD was thus to rule it out as the jacket Mr. Oswald could have been wearing when he LEFT the rooming house. Because if he was wearing THAT jacket, a dark blue jacket, he would be ruled out as the Tippit killer. So they simply switched the jackets, pretending that CE163 and not the flannel wool-looking gray jacket was the one discovered in the TSBD afterwards.

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There is a fourth jacket btw: the TAN jacket worn by the man who shot Officer Tippit. That man fled on to Patton, and then turned off down the alley off Patton.

The man in CE162 went on to Patton shortly thereafter. He went all the way down Patton to Jefferson.

I think there is good reason to believe that the true finder of CE162 was Mrs. Doretha Dean of Dean's Dairy Way. And she didn't find it under a car, but thrown on to a tire rack.

[Zeon Mason]

If the light gray jacket is the jacket that BW Frazier saw Oswald wearing that Friday morning , then that jacket is Oswald’s WORK jacket.
Since Oswald changed out of his pinkish red brown solid texture WORK shirt, then would he not have also changed out of his Work jacket also, presuming he left the TSBD wearing that light gray work jacket?

Was The dark blue jacket left behind in the Domino room or was it moved there later ?

Whaley the taxi drivers description of Oswald’s jacket is as though it was some kind of “work” jacket.

Could this be the light gray jacket?

If so then the following hypothetical scenario is as follows:

Oswald had kept the dark blue jacket at the boarding room. This was the jacket he wore AT HOME.
Oswald’s light gray jacket, was the jacket he wore AT WORK.

So If Oswald had taken off this light gray jacket after leaving Whaleys taxi, and Oswald entered the house carrying that jacket in his right hand as he walked past Earlene Roberts (in the living room)  then Roberts LOS to that jacket might have been blocked, since she would be looking at The LEFT SIDE of Oswald as he walked past the living room on his way to his room. Plus the sofa , table and chairs were possibly blocking LOS at mid waist level.

What Roberts saw , therefore , was in fact Oswald in just the lighter pinkish reddish brownish shirt which Roberts seemed more certain was “shirt sleeves” but  a color which she could not remember.

So Oswald then changed out of his work shirt AND his “work” jacket , which was the light gray jacket . That light gray jacket was left in his boarding room.

Oswald put on his darker brown shirt  and put on his HOME jacket which was the dark blue jacket and then went out the house zipping up that blue jacket.

Oswald then walked directly to the Texas theater , and he  managed to arrive at 1:15pm , paid for a ticket from Postal, and then Oswald entered the theatre and was seen by Burroughs at the popcorn counter.

Oswald found some seat and took off his blue jacket. The movie wasn’t going to start just yet, so Oswald decided he would go back out and  visit the nearby Brewers store to take a quick look at some shoes. He left  the theatre about 1:16, and returned about 1:20pm and he was moving around (now in the dark)  trying to remember the seat he had left his jacket in!

Jack Davis noticed Oswald moving around in the dark to different seats as Oswald was looking for the seat he left the jacket in.

The Dark blue jacket therefore was probably  found in a seat after Oswald’s  arrest and it was determined the jacket belonged to Oswald.

That was a major problem as Tippits shooter was wearing a light color (or white ) jacket and so the dark blue jacket was placed in the Domino room some time later, while the light gray jacket found in Oswald’s room later became the “white” jacket which was filmed being carried by a DPD officer and the jacket claimed to be found under a car.

[Alan Ford]

If the light gray jacket is the jacket that BW Frazier saw Oswald wearing that Friday morning , then that jacket is Oswald’s WORK jacket.
Since Oswald changed out of his pinkish red brown solid texture WORK shirt, then would he not have also changed out of his Work jacket also, presuming he left the TSBD wearing that light gray work jacket?

But Mrs. Roberts told FBI Nov 27 he was not wearing a jacket when he came in, only a light colored shirt (which would be CE151)

Was The dark blue jacket left behind in the Domino room or was it moved there later ?

Whaley the taxi drivers description of Oswald’s jacket is as though it was some kind of “work” jacket.

Could this be the light gray jacket?

If so then the following hypothetical scenario is as follows:

Oswald had kept the dark blue jacket at the boarding room. This was the jacket he wore AT HOME.
Oswald’s light gray jacket, was the jacket he wore AT WORK.

So If Oswald had taken off this light gray jacket after leaving Whaleys taxi, and Oswald entered the house carrying that jacket in his right hand as he walked past Earlene Roberts (in the living room)  then Roberts LOS to that jacket might have been blocked, since she would be looking at The LEFT SIDE of Oswald as he walked past the living room on his way to his room. Plus the sofa , table and chairs were possibly blocking LOS at mid waist level.

What Roberts saw , therefore , was in fact Oswald in just the lighter pinkish reddish brownish shirt which Roberts seemed more certain was “shirt sleeves” but  a color which she could not remember.

So Oswald then changed out of his work shirt AND his “work” jacket , which was the light gray jacket . That light gray jacket was left in his boarding room.

Oswald put on his darker brown shirt  and put on his HOME jacket which was the dark blue jacket and then went out the house zipping up that blue jacket.

Oswald then walked directly to the Texas theater , and he  managed to arrive at 1:15pm , paid for a ticket from Postal, and then Oswald entered the theatre and was seen by Burroughs at the popcorn counter.

Oswald found some seat and took off his blue jacket. The movie wasn’t going to start just yet, so Oswald decided he would go back out and  visit the nearby Brewers store to take a quick look at some shoes.

Shoes will have been the last thing on his mind at this time!

He left  the theatre about 1:16, and returned about 1:20pm and he was moving around (now in the dark)  trying to remember the seat he had left his jacket in!

No, I think he may have briefly left the cinema later, AFTER spending several minutes failing to find his promised contact. Either that or Mr. Brewer spent ~10 mins deliberating with his IBM pals about whether or not to go down to the Texas Theatre and check the guy out. But then why would Mr. Oswald leave the cinema if he hasn't yet even tried to hook up with his contact?

Jack Davis noticed Oswald moving around in the dark to different seats as Oswald was looking for the seat he left the jacket in.

The Dark blue jacket therefore was probably  found in a seat after Oswald’s  arrest and it was determined the jacket belonged to Oswald.

That was a major problem as Tippits shooter was wearing a light color (or white ) jacket and so the dark blue jacket was placed in the Domino room some time later,

Yep, where it was switched out with the gray flannel wool-looking jacket Mr. Oswald had actually left behind in the domino room

[Zeon Mason]

You’re right Mr.Ford, the POTUS had been killed, the nation/state/county/ and Dallas were in panic mode. Oswald was not just casually going to watch a movie at a theater nor wound he be just looking at shoes.

Considering that, carrying a revolver , therefore would be not so unusual especially if Oswald was going to the theatre to meet someone for  further instruction or guidance ( presuming Oswald is some kind of informant/ FBI/CIA asset).

Oswald Leaving the theatre at 1:30 though, and then entry to Brewers store was to avoid the police?

And then why did Oswald go BACK to the theatre?

[Alan Ford]

You’re right Mr.Ford, the POTUS had been killed, the nation/state/county/ and Dallas were in panic mode. Oswald was not just casually going to watch a movie at a theater nor wound he be just looking at shoes.

Considering that, carrying a revolver , therefore would be not so unusual especially if Oswald was going to the theatre to meet someone for  further instruction or guidance ( presuming Oswald is some kind of informant/ FBI/CIA asset).

Oswald Leaving the theatre at 1:30 though, and then entry to Brewers store was to avoid the police?

And then why did Oswald go BACK to the theatre?

Perhaps: he popped out to find a phone somewhere; then, seeing the heavy police presence, he took fright and went back into the cinema in hopes that his promised contact would after all turn up.

NB: he will have had no idea that an officer had been killed nearby, so his first assumption about the cop car activity would have been that it was somehow related to the events in Dealey Plaza. This inference spooked him. Had he been hung out to dry?