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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2023, 01:22:28 PM »
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Summary of the Durham report:

- All the FBI’s leads were garbage

- Some of the bad information came from the Clinton campaign

- The FBI shouldn’t have opened several investigations based on uncorroborated information

Hindsight 20/20 and contradicting the Mueller report.

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2023, 03:21:11 AM »
It took seven years to prove the obvious.  What any child knew was going on.  Hillary Clinton was working in conjunction with a corrupt and biased FBI and DOJ to influence the election.  A Stasi-like effort that went on the entire four years of Trump's presidency dividing the country and doing irreparable harm to the country for political gain.  The Dems made up this hoax and used it for their own purposes.  It's difficult to remember now, but CNN and other state propaganda outlets ran this fake story almost continuously for years.  Adam Schiff claimed he had evidence to link Trump to Russia.  It was all a blatant lie.  But it served it's purpose from the radical leftist perspective.  Any means justifies the ends.  Like the suppression of Hunter's laptop.  Like the lies about the pipelien.  Like the many lies told about COVID.  A shameless campaign of conspiracy theories, outright lies, and hypocrisy solely for political gain.

"A hoax" he says. :D :D :D

Criminal Donald admitted his son Junior met with a Russian informant. That's a red flag to investigators enough to warrant an investigation.

George Papadopoulos, a Trump official went to prison because he lied to the FBI about meeting with Russians. Papadopoulos then plead guilty to lying to the FBI. That's another red flag. That's enough to warrant an investigation to learn why he lied about meeting with Russians.

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chairman, went to prison as well. He was sharing Trump campaign information with Russians. Why would he be sharing campaign information with a foreign enemy? Again, that's a huge red flag enough to warrant an investigation.

So, we have Durham who wasted 4 years of his life coming up with nothing but comes up with his own personal opinion to save face that "no investigation should have happened" but he offers no evidence to make that claim.

The fact is Russia interfered with the 2016 election and Papadopoulos went to prison for lying to the FBI about it and the Senate Intelligence report confirmed Manafort giving campaign information to the Russians. Again, any real investigator would conduct an investigation based on this activity.

Trump admits son met Russian for information on opponent
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45079377

Ex-Trump Aide Papadopoulos, 1st Charged In Russia Probe
George Papadopoulos, 31, pleaded guilty last year to lying to the FBI to conceal his contacts with Russians and Russian intermediaries during the presidential campaign
https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/645539743/ex-trump-aide-papadopoulos-1st-charged-in-russia-probe-sentenced-to-14-days

U.S. has new intel that Manafort friend Kilimnik gave Trump campaign data to Russia
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-new-intel-manafort-friend-kilimnik-gave-trump-n1264371

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2023, 03:51:20 AM »
In August 2016, Obama was briefed on Hillary’s plan to spread disinformation about Trump’s ties to Russia


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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2023, 03:59:47 AM »
In August 2016, Obama was briefed on Hillary’s plan to spread disinformation about Trump’s ties to Russia


"Hillary's plan". :D :D :D

And yet Durham has no evidence to charge anyone for any wrongdoing.

Just more of the same old right wing propaganda and conspiracies we've heard for 4 years that can go in the trash bin.   

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2023, 01:37:47 PM »
It is amazing the radical leftists STILL won't admit this was a hoax.  It was baseless and laughable from beginning to end.  Any child knew that the media was acting as a state arm of propaganda.  Here is how it worked.  A Trump hating deep stater would leak a fake story to media outlet A who would report it.  Then every other leftist media outlet would report it as a fact citing the initial report as though that alone gave the story validity.  They didn't care whether it was true or not.  All that mattered to them was to get Trump.  The cover has been officially blown now.  It took seven years and won't do any good except for the history books that will look back upon this era the way we look at the McCarthy Red Scare.  A dark time of censorship, disinformation, and corrupt justice system to interfere in the US elections.  An actual insurrection attempt that finally paid off in 2020 election.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2023, 08:07:16 PM »
It is amazing the radical leftists STILL won't admit this was a hoax.  It was baseless and laughable from beginning to end.  Any child knew that the media was acting as a state arm of propaganda.  Here is how it worked.  A Trump hating deep stater would leak a fake story to media outlet A who would report it.  Then every other leftist media outlet would report it as a fact citing the initial report as though that alone gave the story validity.  They didn't care whether it was true or not.  All that mattered to them was to get Trump.  The cover has been officially blown now.  It took seven years and won't do any good except for the history books that will look back upon this era the way we look at the McCarthy Red Scare.  A dark time of censorship, disinformation, and corrupt justice system to interfere in the US elections.  An actual insurrection attempt that finally paid off in 2020 election.

They didn't care whether it was true or not.  All that mattered to them was to get Trump.

You mean, just like James Comer and his ilk, without a shred of evidence keep on claiming that Joe Biden is a criminal? Or like the utterly bogus Benghazi witchhunt against Hillary Clinton that went nowhere fast?

The right wing wrote the book about how to tell lies and make false claims about there opponents. Howard Hunt did it for Nixon and it has been done since to very left politician they considered a potential thread. To deny this is denying reality!

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2023, 08:11:31 PM »
Devastating report for the FBI and the news media

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As set forth in greater detail in Section IV, the record in this matter reflects that upon
receipt of unevaluated intelligence information from Australia, the FBI swiftly opened the
Crossfire Hurricane investigation. In particular, at the direction of Deputy Director Andrew
McCabe, Deputy Assistant Director for Counterintelligence Peter Strzok opened Crossfire
Hurricane immediately. 22 Strzok, at a minimum, had pronounced hostile feelings toward
Trump. 23 The matter was opened as a full investigation without ever having spoken to the
persons who provided the information. Further, the FBI did so without (i) any significant review
of its own intelligence databases, (ii) collection and examination of any relevant intelligence
from other U.S. intelligence entities, (iii) interviews of witnesses essential to understand the raw
information it had received or (iv) using any of the standard analytical tools typically employed
by the FBI in evaluating raw intelligence. Had it done so, again as set out in Sections IV.A.3.b
and c, the FBI would have learned that their own experienced Russia analysts had no information
about Trump being involved with Russian leadership officials, nor were others in sensitive
positions at the CIA, the NSA, and the Department of State aware of such evidence concerning
the subject
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In addition, FBI records prepared by Strzok in February and March 2017 show that
at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had no information in its holdings
indicating that at any time during the campaign anyone in the Trump campaign had been in
contact with any Russian intelligence officials. 24

The speed and manner in which the FBI opened and investigated Crossfire Hurricane
during the presidential election season based on raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated
intelligence also reflected a noticeable departure from how it approached prior matters involving
possible attempted foreign election interference plans aimed at the Clinton campaign. As
described in Section IV.B, in the eighteen months leading up to the 2016 election, the FBI was
required to deal with a number of proposed investigations that had the potential of affecting the
election. In each ofthose instances, the FBI moved with considerable caution. In one such
matter discussed in Section IV.B.l, FBI Headquarters and Department officials required
defensive briefings to be provided to Clinton and other officials or candidates who appeared to
be the targets of foreign interference. In another, the FBI elected to end an investigation after
one of its longtime and valuable CHSs went beyond what was authorized and made an improper
and possibly illegal financial contribution to the Clinton campaign on behalf of a foreign entity
as a precursor to a much larger donation being contemplated. And in a third, the Clinton
Foundation matter, both senior FBI and Department officials placed restrictions on how those
matters were to be handled such that essentially no investigative activities occurred for months
leading up to the election. These examples are also markedly different from the FBI' s actions
with respect to other highly significant intelligence it received from a trusted foreign source
pointing to a Clinton campaign plan to vilify Trump by tying him to Vladimir Putin so as to
divert attention from her own concerns relating to her use of a private email server. Unlike the
FBI's opening of a full investigation of unknown members of the Trump campaign based on raw,
uncorroborated information, in this separate matter involving a purported Clinton campaign plan,
the FBI never opened any type of inquiry, issued any taskings, employed any analytical
personnel, or produced any analytical products in connection with the information. This lack of
action was despite the fact that the significance of the Clinton plan intelligence was such as to
have prompted the Director ofthe CIA to brief the President, Vice President, Attorney General,
Director of the FBI, and other senior government officials about its content within days of its
receipt. It was also of enough importance for the CIA to send a formal written referral
memorandum to Director Corney and the Deputy Assistant Director of the FBI's
Counterintelligence Division, Peter Strzok, for their consideration and action. 25 The
investigative referral provided examples of information the Crossfire Hurricane fusion cell had
"gleaned to date."26

https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf


Durham concluded that they wouldn't have needed to open full investigations if they followed the normal preliminary investigative stuff the FBI does before opening investigations...

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2023, 08:21:25 PM »
Devastating report for the FBI and the news media

https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf


Durham concluded that they wouldn't have needed to open full investigations if they followed the normal preliminary investigative stuff the FBI does before opening investigations...

Wow. Durham's opinion is that the FBI was to fast to open up a full investigation and that opinion is based on nothing but hot air.
It took him 4 years and that's all he could come up with.....  Hilarious!

Just because he wrote his opinion in a report doesn't mean it's of any significance.

It might have had some significance if it had resulted in consequences for those involved, but it didn't. A four year long "investigation" resulting in nothing! LOL
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Re: John Durham report on Trump-Russia stuff
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